Those disparaging Palin's lack of achievements have forgotten that it was Palin who wrote the famous "Lumberjack Song," which of course is about life in Alaska: "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK/I sleep all night and I work all day."
The song generated controversy because of the next lines, "I cut down trees, I skip and jump/I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars."
And it was also Palin who co-starred in the famous "Dead Parrot" sketch, playing the pet shop owner who maintains that a "Norwegian Blue" parrot lying in the bottom of his cage is not dead: "no, he's resting. . . . he's probably pining for the fjords." The BBC named it the number one "alternative comedy sketch" of all time.
Oops, that was MICHAEL Palin – never mind.
But if Sarah Palin is in fact related to Michael, she would win a lot of votes from people who think a Monty Python relative in the White House would be a definite improvement over Dick Cheney.
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Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/29/2008 @ 7:07pm
HAP,
"Moderate" Republican and independent women voters who tend to be pro-choice are not going to embrace Palin's right-wing politics.
This is female-anatomy-only candidate who has been missing-in-action on the concerns faced by the vast majority of women in America.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 7:19pm
Maybe the poster on this board will believe me now when I say Obama was faked out of his first VP choice, Kathleen Sebelius.
If those dark forces who control the Georgian government had not invaded South Ossetia, we would see a real accomplished, talented and politically skillful woman on the Obama ticket instead of this political novice masquerading as a woman's advocate on McSame's ticket.
If the press is giving Palin a pass on economic and foreign policy experience, they certainly would have given Kathleen a pass since she actually has considerable economic experience and was the head of the governor's association in the US.
Can we buck convention and change our VP pick to Kathleen now that we see McCain's pick?
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 7:28pm
Isn't it ironic that the guys who were complaining about how "black people are only voting for Obama cuz he's black"...
want women to vote for Palin just cuz she's a woman....regardless of the fact she stands OPPOSITE most women on many issues!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/29/2008 @ 8:07pm
BTW, heard HAPP's mentor today (Rush) and his youthful ward, Sean the Boy Wonder....
all talking about how great Palin is...how it was a brilliant move...etc.
But you know what is interesting?
NONE of those political geniuses....considered Palin a front-runner either.
Hmmmmm?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/29/2008 @ 8:10pm
When McCain announced his pick, I immediately got an image of Billy Bob Thornton in Bad Santa when the kid shows him his report card, a bunch of C's. Billy Bob responds with very little care, "That's fuckin' awesome, kid."
Not that vice-presidents matter (although I guess this can sew up Alaska for McCain...oh, wait...), but you at least want to make a choice that is not utterly ludicrous.
Posted by onthehelm at 08/29/2008 @ 8:25pm
He sure can give great (but empty) speeches! Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/29/2008 @ 7:58pm
Hehe. Spin Spin Spin little top.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/29/2008 @ 8:36pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/29/2008 @ 7:54pm
HAP,
HRC would have been a disaster because she loses almost as many votes as she gains by galvanizing the Republican base (i.e., Satan's Favorite Daughter). She is also from the DLC wing of the party and thinks Democrats need to act like Republicans to win.
Kathleen would have been the perfect post-partisan female candidate that attracts women WITHOUT turning off men and moderate Republicans. In fact, this was her specialty in Kansas, where she peeled off nearly all of the moderate Republicans to join her in a coalition with Democrats to pass "progressive" legislation.
She would have been the "perfect" compliment to Obama and his message, and like Barack, she has extraordinary political skill.
He was pushed out of this choice by forces beyond his control that were orchestrating "timely" events in Georgia. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but it sure wasn't the Russians that were behind this, and if you follow the money it leads back to the same right-wing nuts who have hijacked American foreign policy for some time.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 8:39pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/29/2008 @ 7:54pm |
Have you thought that maybe the reason Obama didn't choose Hillary wasn't because Hillary didn't want it but because Obama didn't want her? It was reported that Hillary talked to him and said she wanted it but she didn't want to be strung long. He told her he wasn't considering her. Which means it was his choices not hers. But you can keep spinning your yarn Happy. Whatever makes you Happy.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/29/2008 @ 8:39pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/29/2008 @ 8:39pm
The Right has this view that the Clintons are not only duplicitious (possible)...but capable of this Machiavellian machinations that manipulate almost ANY situation (how's that for alliteration?).
They have "plans within plans within plans" ("Dune") and according to both fan and enemy alike (FRANK or MAASCH) probably got McCain to pick Palin and have some "secret information" that they'll release in October to destroy Obama....that for SOME reason they didn't use in the Primaries?!??!?!??!?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/29/2008 @ 8:49pm
http://tinyurl.com/6yd5qr
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/29/2008 @ 9:24pm
BTW, best Palin sketch was the "Cheese Shop"...
perhaps Sarah could be the proprietor of the "Pandering Shop"?
"Do you support the right to abortion?"
"Let me check sir....ahhhhhhhhhhhh....no."
"How about separation of Church & State?"
"Normally, yes. But today the van's broke down!"
"Teaching science in class instead of religion?"
"Ahhhhhhhh, no.....the cat's eaten it!"
"Do you in fact have any issues at all that most women would agree with?"
"No, sir, not a bit...I am deliberately wasting your time!"
"Well, I'm sorry...but I'm going to have to not vote for you!"
"Right'o!"
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/29/2008 @ 9:25pm
He was pushed out of this choice by forces beyond his control that were orchestrating "timely" events in Georgia. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but it sure wasn't the Russians that were behind this, and if you follow the money it leads back to the same right-wing nuts who have hijacked American foreign policy for some time.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 8:39pm | ignore
Okay, Metteyya has gone into Rese/Plunger land "from whose bourn/No traveller returns,"
Posted by brunowe at 08/29/2008 @ 10:06pm
The reason there is such an hysterical response to Palin's candidacy is because people are reacting in disbelief. What was McCain thinking? Clearly he has received some very bad advice.
With the Supreme Court being only one person away from overturning Roe vs. Wade, do you really think women are stupid enough to vote for the McCain ticket?
Hillary supporters may be angry right now but ultimately by November, they will know it will be in their best interest to vote for Obama. Their anger will dissipate.
On another topic: the reason Obama isn't performing as well as he should is because he has abandoned many of his progressive views. If he had stuck to his original principles, he would now be way ahead in the polls. We are back to the failed policy of "trying to win elections by running as Republican lite." When will the Democrats ever learn?
Posted by blue photon at 08/29/2008 @ 10:24pm
Posted by brunowe at 08/29/2008 @ 10:06pm |
Yeah, I don't know what it was about Biden (METTE predicted Sebelius, but it CAN'T be he's so egotistical THAT got him pissed?)...but something turned METTE into full-out conspiracy nut mode. (Where he was only an amateur before).
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/29/2008 @ 10:27pm
Blame it all on Borat.
Meanwhile, there's that single debate between the VP nominees. Usually ignorable, but this time it might prove at least mildly diverting.
Posted by sloper at 08/29/2008 @ 10:46pm
Get ready for lots of: "my son" "serving in Iraq" "surge"
And lots and lots of swiftboat lite.
Embedded message: he's some admixture of too exotic, different, dangerously new, naive, liberal, sort of, possibly, yes probably, maybe conclusively Muslim, if not, how 'bout a celebrity, effete, Magic Negro.
Posted by winyahn at 08/29/2008 @ 10:57pm
I've read all of the truly misinformed posts by those on the left who claim that women will not vote for a pro life candidate.
this displays an incredible arrogance and lack of knowledge about voting habits in this country.
A majority of Married women vote Republican in our elections.
"Women make up 56.4 percent of America's unmarried, said the study, adding that 47 percent of all US women live without a spouse, up from 35 percent in the 1950s.
But regarding civic duty, single people vote less than married people: 35 percent of voters were unmarried in the 2002 elections, and 37.2 percent in 2006, against 55 percent and 56.6 percent respectively for married people.
And when they do go to the polls, the study found, unattached people tend to vote for the Democratic Party, especially single women.
In the 2004 US presidential elections, single women voted for Democratic candidate John Kerry over US President George W. Bush -- who was up for reelection -- by a 62-37 percent margin, while married women voted for Bush by a 55-44 percent margin.
Single men in the same election voted 53-45 percent for Kerry, while married men voted 60-39 percent for Bush.
In the 2006 legislative elections, single women voted for Democratic over Republican candidates by a 66-32 percent margin, similarly to single men who also favored the Democrats by a 62-36 percent margin.
Married women in 2006 chose Republican candidates over Democrats by a margin of 50-48 percent, as did married men by 51-47 percent margin."
http://tinyurl.com/674ec3
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/29/2008 @ 11:03pm
LL I've read all of the truly misinformed posts by those on the left who claim that women will not vote for a pro life candidate.
this displays an incredible arrogance and lack of knowledge about voting habits in this country.
You've missed the point. It's the Hilary-supporting women who won't vote for a pro-life candidate.
Posted by brunowe at 08/29/2008 @ 11:27pm
You've missed the point. It's the Hilary-supporting women who won't vote for a pro-life candidate.
Posted by brunowe at 08/29/2008 @ 11:27pm
Well, it appears you are wrong. I saw interviews on TV today with older women who said they were lifelong Dems and HRC supporters who would now vote for McCain because of Palin.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/29/2008 @ 11:30pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/29/2008 @ 10:27pm
MASK,
You know that right-wing Jews were behind the Georgia invasion of South Ossetia, and had they not invaded when they did, Biden would not be the VP.
Here is the story:
Israel's Dog in the fight in the Georgian War By MEL FRYKBERG (Middle East Times) Published: August 18, 2008 A Georgian government minister has claimed that a small group of Georgian troops was able to wipe-out an entire Russian military division, thanks to their Israeli military training. The image shows Georgians looting a burnt Russian tank on the outskirts of Gory in Georgia. (Newscom) TOOLBAR Print Story Add Comments JERUSALEM -- Israel was considering last weekend to suspend all further military shipments to embattled Georgia, fearing possible retaliation with Russia which is on good terms with two of the Jewish state's arch enemies in the region, Syria and Iran.
At the same time, approximately 200 Israeli-Georgians protested outside the American Embassy in Tel Aviv urging the United States to take stronger action against Russia's military intervention in Georgia and the breakaway enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
But the large Jewish-Georgian community in Israel was not the only group with a dog in the fight as the war between Georgia and Russia appeared to be intensifying, despite intensive diplomatic mediation by U.S. and European diplomats, urging both the Russian and Georgian leadership to implement a ceasefire.
Israel has been involved in both training and arming the Georgian military for a number of years and the fears within Israel's military establishment was that Russia, which already supplies arms to both Syria and Iran, could well decide to increase the quantity and quality of these supplies.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 11:51pm
Israel's immediate concern is that Russia will proceed with the sale of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system to Iran, which would help Iran defend its nuclear installations from aerial attack.
This would be particularly problematic if Israel decides to carry out a preemptive raid on Iran's nuclear facilities as it has been threatening to do for months now.
Israel's military complex has supplied Georgia with some $200 million worth of equipment since 2000. This has comprised rockets, night-vision communications and intelligence surveillance equipment, including Skylark mini-drones and Hermes 450 unmanned aerial vehicles. Israel also upgraded Georgia's Su-25 ground attack fighters.
A Russian jet shot down an Israeli-made drone being operated by the Georgians earlier this year.
The mayor of Tel Aviv, Ronnie Milo and his brother Shlomo (a former director-general of Israel Military Industries), were key players in the Georgian arms sales while senior IDF officers, including Maj. Gen. Israel Ziv and Brig. Gen. Gal Hirsch, were directly involved in training Georgian army infantry battalions.
Hirsch, who was a senior commander in the 2006 Lebanon war, served in an advisory capacity.
One of the Israeli advisers to the Georgian military, who wished to remain anonymous, had befriended some of the Georgian soldiers during his time there and was invited to some of their homes for dinner. He told the Israeli daily Haaretz: "We have their phone numbers, but we haven't been able to reach them. These are people we know and we are all hoping for their success,"
Meanwhile, other Israeli trainers are trying to glean from news reports on the movements of the Georgian army whether their trainees succeeded in internalizing Israeli military techniques.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 11:52pm
Two key Georgian ministers are Jewish and fluent in Hebrew. The Georgian Defense Minister Davit Kezerashvili, 30, once lived in Israel after he immigrated to the country as a boy before eventually returning to Georgia.
Georgian Minister of Reintegration Temur Yakobashvili praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be pleased with its military might, during an interview with Israeli Army Radio.
"Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers," Yakobashvili stated in fluent Hebrew.
He added that this training provided Georgia with the know-how needed to defend itself against Russian forces as he explained how a small group of Georgian soldiers had been able to wipe out an entire Russian military division due to the training, despite the inferiority of Georgia's defense forces when compared to Russia's.
"We killed 60 Russian soldiers," said Yakobashvili last week. "The Russians have lost more than 50 tanks, and we have shot down 11 of their planes. They have sustained enormous damage in terms of manpower."
However, Israeli ties to Georgia go further than the arms trade and military training business. Another Israeli interest in Georgia has revolved around the rich oil and gas deposits in the region.
Jerusalem is keen to see the Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network after Russia turned down a previous Israeli request.
To this end intense negotiations are currently underway between Israel, Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and onward to Israel's oil terminal at Ashkelon and to its Red Sea port of Eilat.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/29/2008 @ 11:53pm
From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.
Finally, Israel works hard to increase the number of Jews immigrating to the country in an effort to lessen the "threat" of a demographic time-bomb which sees Israeli-Arabs and Palestinians in East Jerusalem with their higher birth rate as a possible threat to Jewish majority.
To this end the Jewish Agency, which arranges immigration, has organized flights into Georgia to evacuate Jews trapped in the cities as fighting intensifies. Indeed, Israel's national airline El Al was practically the only airline to fly into Georgia's capital Tbilisi after other flights were suspended or grounded.
Several hundred Jews were subsequently evacuated to Israel as new immigrants.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 12:32am
Your man may have some ideals you share, but frankly, he is just UNintelligent......I would love to know what his IQ is! His lack of any scholarly work at Harvard and UChicago, spanning over 15 years, says volumes to me! Plus the most damning of all, not recognizing how poisonous Rev. Wright is and had to be first rejected by Wright.....bloody idiot!!
Only idiots name brilliant people idiots because they simply can't understand them. Did you ever made it into Harvard? The clearness of his thoughts, his logic his analysis, and excellent speeches make him an outstanding person intellectualy.
How about an IQ of say 160, compared to Bush's 90? I remember Biden's words: "We saw him arrive to the Senate and hit the ground running..."
Scholar work may not even had been published, but still is there. And about reverend Wright, well he is so much better religious man than all of your righty preachers that plead to deity for rain in Denver and did not ever prayed for regions that had drought for several years! The real Christians (that love their neighbors) are in the left!
Posted by Frank42 at 08/30/2008 @ 12:39am
In the 2006 legislative elections, single women voted for Democratic over Republican candidates by a 66-32 percent margin, similarly to single men who also favored the Democrats by a 62-36 percent margin.
Married women in 2006 chose Republican candidates over Democrats by a margin of 50-48 percent, as did married men by 51-47 percent margin."
If married people voted Republican by two or 4 points in 2006 (where Bush's popularity and that of his Congress was already 30%) then either only 20% of the total population is married (which is an absurd) or marriage does have a deleterious effect on the mind of the people (which probably has some of truth in isolating the family from the real world).
Even in the 50% of married women group that supported Reps (because of basically what they believe are economic policies that "favor them") that does not mean that the pro-life group gets that support. I bet it gets a lot more. Just let them think of their adolescent daughters and how can they be penalized....
It is true there is a correlation between being married and favoring the Rep party, but it is much more of economical nature (generally they are so much better off with two incomes so they think the world is just OK as it is), and of acquiescence with the dominant husband's opinion that "Reps favor my business", than of moral nature.
In fact, it is more likely that single people in general have higher moral standards as they don't compromise for a mediocre marriage contract, or do not concede on lowering their standards.
Posted by Frank42 at 08/30/2008 @ 01:10am
Well, it appears you are wrong. I saw interviews on TV today with older women who said they were lifelong Dems and HRC supporters who would now vote for McCain because of Palin.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/29/2008 @ 11:30pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Anecdotes are well and good, I want to see polling.
Posted by brunowe at 08/30/2008 @ 02:05am
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/29/2008 @ 11:30pm
Of course they are going to find the few women who they can interview to make that point.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/30/2008 @ 02:39am
What does the Israel-Georgia connection have to do with anything in this thread?
I think that Hillary will come out strong against Palin, so her supporters will have to be operation chaos leftovers to support McCain just because he chose a woman. Most women can tell the difference between Hillary and Palin, just as most blacks could tell the difference between Justices Marshall and Thomas. It's horribly cynical to reduce accomplished people to a matter of gender or race.
Posted by ramara at 08/30/2008 @ 02:42am
Sarah Palin's sister Molly married a guy named Mike Wooten who is an Alaska State Trooper. Mike and Molly had a rocky marriage. When the marriage broke up, there was a bitter custody fight that is still ongoing. During the custody investigation, all sorts of things were brought up about Wooten including the fact that he had illegally shot a moose (yes folks this is Alaska), driven drunk, and used a taser (on the test setting, he reminds us) on his 11-year old stepson, who supposedly had asked to see what it felt like. While Wooten has turned out to be a less than stellar figure, the fact that Palin's father accompanied him on the infamous moose hunt, and that many of the dozens of charges brought up by the Palin family happened long before they were ever reported smacked of desperate custody fight. Wooten's story is that he was basically stalked by the family.
After all this, Wooten was investigated and disciplined on two counts and allowed to kept his position with the troopers. Enter Walt Monegan, Palin's appointed new chief of the Department of Public Safety and head of the troopers. Monegan was beloved by the troopers, did a bang-up job with minimal funding and suddenly got axed. Palin was out of town and Monegan got "offered another job" (aka fired) with no explanation to Alaskans. Pressure was put on the governor to give details, because rumors started to swirl around the fact that the highly respected Monegan was fired because he refused to fire the aforementioned Mike Wooten. Palin vehemently denied ever talking to Monegan or pressuring Monegan in any way to fire Wooten, or that anyone on her staff did. Over the weeks it has come out that not only was pressure applied, there were literally dozens of conversations in which pressure was applied to fire
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 02:44am
him. Monegan has testified to this fact, spurring an ongoing investigation by the Alaska state legislature. But, before this investigation got underway, Palin sent the Alaska State Attorney General out to do some investigative work of his own so she could find out in advance what the real investigation was going to find. (No, I'm not making this up). The AG interviewed several people, unbeknownst to the actual appointed investigator or the Legislature! Palin's investigation of herself uncovered a recorded phone call retained by the Alaska State Troopers from Frank Bailey, a Palin underling, putting pressure on a trooper about the Wooten non-firing. Todd Palin (governor's husband) even talked to Monegan himself in Palin's office while she was away. Bailey is now on paid administrative leave.
As if this weren't enough, Monegan's appointed replacement Chuck Kopp, turns out to have been the center of his own little scandal. He received a letter of reprimand and was reassigned after sexual harrassment allegations by a former coworker who didn't like all the unwanted kissing and hugging in the office. Was he vetted? Obviously not. When he was questioned about all this, his comment was that no one had asked him and he thought they all knew. Kopp, defiant, still claimed to have done nothing wrong and said to the press that there was no way he was stepping down from his new position. Twenty four hours later, he stepped down. Later it was uncovered that he received a $10,000 severance package for his two weeks on the job from Palin. Monegan got nothing.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 02:45am
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 02:45am
Ah yes, corruption, cronyism, scandal ... she has been indeed chosen well. Damned near a neocon in training it sounds like.
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 06:42am
Getting Palin on corruption probably a non-starter.
McCain's people would FULLY vette her and make sure nothing like that would emerge or be intrinsicly linked to her.
Nobody wants another "Eagleton".
I think where she'll prove "Quayle'ish" will be on the campaign trail....she has NO experience running in a national campaign (In Alaska, she could practically shake hands with her ENTIRE constituency in a few weeks)...
and when she debates Biden in October. She'll be able to talk platitudes and generalities, but he'll clearly show she doesn't have any nuance or diplomatic understanding of foreign policy. She'll sound like Sean Hannity...he'll sound like Dean Acheson.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 10:06am
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/29/2008 @ 7:54pm "Your man may have some ideals you share, but frankly, he is just UNintelligent......I would love to know what his IQ is! His lack of any scholarly work at Harvard and UChicago, spanning over 15 years, says volumes to me!"
--Wow..er..didn't McCain finish at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy? 894 of 899. So I take it McCain has volumes of scholarly research and work floating around out there?...or are you just secretly bitter at McCain's VP choice?
Posted by phnord at 08/30/2008 @ 10:17am
Okay, Metteyya has gone into Rese/Plunger land "from whose bourn/No traveller returns,"
Posted by brunowe at 08/29/2008 @ 10:06pm
i don't know.
obama's on vacation..........
mccain's adviser dude..........
kinda reminds me of what reagan did.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/30/2008 @ 1:10pm
With the Supreme Court being only one person away from overturning Roe vs. Wade, do you really think women are stupid enough to vote for the McCain ticket?
Posted by blue photon at 08/29/2008 @ 10:24pm
yes.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/30/2008 @ 1:12pm
I think where she'll prove "Quayle'ish" will be on the campaign trail....
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 10:06am
it doesn't matter.
the whole point is that she seems "protected".
it's all imagery.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/30/2008 @ 1:19pm
Well, it appears you are wrong. I saw interviews on TV today with older women who said they were lifelong Dems and HRC supporters who would now vote for McCain because of Palin.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/29/2008 @ 11:30pm |
First, gee thanks Mask-sheesh, a little support for the ladies dude.
That said, no woman once they fully understand Palin's qualifications will trade her for Hillary. No slam on Palin, but she hasn't been anywhere much or done anything much. Being a governor is a big deal, but she has been at it for a whole 21 months. She hasn't even had time to screw up.
As for being the mayor/manager of a town of 5000 cripes, the pothead I dated in high school straghtened up, went to State U and eventually served as mayor of a town a few hundred people shy of that. He passed the "Who would you rather have a beer with" test, because he is a really sweet, gregarious compassionate guy who connects with people.
Unfortunately he really didn't have the attention span or intellectual depth to handle the economics when things got sticky this past few years and didn't stand for re-election.(Me, I dumped him for somebody smarter. I likes 'em smart.) I am underwhelmed by Palin.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 3:14pm
Palin investigation info on local AK TV channel 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJ-MHz90TY
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/31/2008 @ 8:12pm