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RedditThe zealots and zombies of the Christian right, those dark armies of the night, are girding for battle behind Sarah Palin's flag and, to be sure, she has credentials to lead them. But it's been hilarious this week watching Republican spokesmen trying to put a positive spin on Palin's utter lack of foreign policy experience.
Even funnier is watching cable TV pundits, trying to be even-handed, because if they were even the least bit honest they'd be cackling out loud about McCain's pick, live on national television.
Some GOP pundits and strategists have suggested -- as Jon Stewart has noted -- that Palin has a good grasp of foreign policy because her state is up there someplace near Russia. Perhaps the funniest commentary of this sort comes from one of the most rabid neocons, Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy. Gaffney titled it: "Sarah Palin's experience."
Now, reporters are scrambling to find out of Palin has ever -- yes, ever -- even been to Europe. Gaffney says: No matter. "Listening to her critics, one might think that John McCain's chosen running-mate is a complete ignoramus when it comes to matters of national security." Well, yes, Frank, that about says it.
Here are a few highlights of Gaffney's essay:
Napoleon is said to have declared that "Geography is destiny." That certainly is true of Gov. Palin. Her state is adjacent to Russia, a nation that has in recent years demonstrated a rising aggressiveness towards its neighbors.
And that is significant why, Mr. Gaffney? Well:
As it happens, the best of [our] defenses – including a squadron of America's state-of-the-art interceptors, the F-22 Raptor – are stationed at Elmendorf Air Force Base near Anchorage. Governor Palin would not only be intimately familiar with that facilities' vital role in protecting U.S. territory. She would also appreciate its importance in the projection of American power in Asia and beyond as much of the nation's long-range transport aircraft supplying our military operations around the world transit through Elmendorf. Every Commander-in-Chief should have such insights.
Let's assume that Palin even knows that F-22's are stationed there. So her foreign policy experience involves some vague understanding about "the projection of American power in Asia and beyond"? It gets better:
Speaking of geography, Alaskan territory is also along the trajectory of ballistic missiles launched eastward out of Stalinist North Korea. For that reason, among others, Alaska's Fort Greely was selected as the site for the principal U.S. ground-based defense against such missiles. As that state's governor, Sarah Palin would know more by osmosis – if nothing else – about the necessity for U.S. anti-missile systems than either Messrs. Obama or Biden.
Umm, so her "experience" comes by "osmosis." Wait, there's more:
At present, one can only infer Sarah Palin's grasp of the danger posed by today's principal enemy: adherents to the brutally repressive and seditious program the Islamists call Shariah, a program they seek to impose worldwide through violent means and "soft jihad."
So besides osmosis, we can "infer" that she understands the insidious dangers of "soft jihad." Gaffney goes on:
America is only beginning to get to know Sarah Palin. ... It is not only wrong but foolish to portray her as totally unprepared to contend with the epochal foreign and defense policy issues we are confronting.
The above quotations are not, repeat not, satire. Gaffney really wrote this nonsense. As Casey Stengel said, You can look it up.
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>>>Some GOP pundits and strategists have suggested -- as Jon Stewart has noted -- that Palin has a good grasp of foreign policy because her state is up there someplace near Russia.<<<
LOL!!!!
You can't be serious!
And I have "presidential" foreign policy experience because I have gone on vacation to Europe, Asia, and Latin America?
Come on!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/02/2008 @ 9:20pm
You wanna see hilarious? Look on CNN.com and watch Campell Brown's interview with Tucker Bounds on this exact subject. Watching him bob and weave trying not to directly answer her questions is comic gold.
Posted by yutsano at 09/02/2008 @ 9:25pm
What are these people smoking. She is going to be sharing the nuclear trigger. And all this to overturn Roe v. Wade. Don't these people realize that a new born baby is human also. Yet how many did they kill in Iraq and Afghanistan. These f%$#@&* "ameners" are going to get us into a nuclear winter. The earth is flat and life begins at conception. This is the same crowd that would yell, "crucify him".
Posted by lachatte at 09/02/2008 @ 9:26pm
Osmosis ... sort of the same way GWBush got a Yale BA & a Harvard MBA.
Scrutiny, accountability, chickens coming home to roost ... it's about time the GOP got its turn.
Looks as if, in choosing the divine Sarah, McCain has taken his free pass from the press & torn it up.
Under scrutiny, the GOP's presidential nominee appears to have now begun his 10-week descent into the flames.
How many GOP candidates for the House & Senate will he take down with him?
This is the only real suspense remaining in election '08.
Posted by sloper at 09/02/2008 @ 9:28pm
people, people, this woman missed the Nobel prize by THAT much.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/02/2008 @ 9:36pm
i've got google earth.
i'm an expert.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/02/2008 @ 9:37pm
"The zealots and zombies of the Christian right, those dark armies of the night, are girding for battle behind Sarah Palin's flag and, to be sure, she has credentials to lead them."
Okay, depends on WHICH KIND of zombies they are?
1. slow and stupid...aka "Night of the Living Dead"...easy to take out.
2. slow and smart...aka "Bub" from "Day of the Dead"....still not too bad.
3. fast and stupid...aka 2004 "Dawn of the Dead" or "28 Days Later"....tricky.
4. fast and smart...."Return of the Living Dead"....big trouble!!!!
heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/02/2008 @ 9:38pm
I'm thinking more traditional Jamaican/New Orleans zombies there Mask, brain eaters and all!
Posted by yutsano at 09/02/2008 @ 9:49pm
Posted by yutsano at 09/02/2008 @ 9:49pm
Given your average "Sword of Joshua Full Gospel Independent Pentacostal Assembly" (just off Highway 29 on the frontage road) type of RR....
I'm going with original 1968 "NOTLD" type!
heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/02/2008 @ 10:12pm
Posted by madlib at 09/02/2008 @ 10:06pm
If he HADN'T come, it'd have been a bigger story!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/02/2008 @ 10:13pm
"The zealots and zombies of the Christian right, those dark armies of the night, are girding for battle behind Sarah Palin's flag and, to be sure, she has credentials to lead them."
well put, dreyfuss!
now thats some hyperbole and metaphor i can appreciate!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/02/2008 @ 10:16pm
Is anyone else as truly offended by McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as I am? First of all, Hillary Clinton has spent her whole life in public service grooming herself for such a position, and here this bimbo walks in from Alaska, and if--God forbid this should come to pass--they are elected, it makes a mockery of any shred of dignity that is left of our democratic process. I hope she field-dressed that moose real good before she caught the plane for St. Paul. What a joke!
--tazlady007
Posted by Janet Shawl at 09/02/2008 @ 10:22pm
ah for a few rocket ships to venus ready to blast off at the republican convention...
just tell 'em its rapture time and they're on there way to meet their maker (not really a lie, after all...) and we'll be well on the way to having the earth to ourselves!!!!
MARCHING MORONS, PREPARE TO BOARD!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/02/2008 @ 10:25pm
"very low expectations"
Posted by Zero at 09/02/2008 @ 10:31pm | ignore this person | warn this person
ahh - the secret to happiness...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/02/2008 @ 10:36pm
It is rather odd so many people on the left condemn Palin's experience, running for vice-president, while praising Obama, running for president, who has even less experience. Very odd.
Posted by pyeatte at 09/02/2008 @ 10:40pm
Soft jihad. A heretofore rare & little known malady that has begun to rear its ugly head. If you now have the inclination to use foreign coins in vending machines, remove mattress tags & god forbid, change your oil less than recommended guidelines, it may have a hold on you. Please, please, folks, if this is happening to you, get thee to a funnery & spend, spend, spend!
Posted by Sorelish at 09/02/2008 @ 10:49pm
I predict things will get worse for the Democrats as a result of the Palin nomination.
Posted by Zero at 09/02/2008 @ 10:31pm
i agree.
she should be ignored.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/02/2008 @ 11:00pm
It is rather odd so many people on the left condemn Palin's experience, running for vice-president, while praising Obama, running for president, who has even less experience. Very odd.
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Wow...OK...so, let's compare...
Palin was mayor of Mayberry, RFD...er...Moosefart, Alaska...er..Wasila, Alaska (population 5,550) then got elected Governor of Alaska (population about 1/4 that of Chicago) where she has served for 20 months.
Obama taught constitutional law for a dozen years at Chicago Law School before he spent 7 years in the Illinois state senate, then was elected as US Senator from Illinois in November 2004 where he has served ever since.
Really, the only things that would be "very odd" are your inability to perform basic math and the wierd 'alternate reality' that you seem to inhabit where the 'experience' of Obama is 'less than' that of Palin.
Posted by Lillian at 09/02/2008 @ 11:25pm
Gaffney is a licensed political hack. Here he thinks James Baker and Lee Hamilton were "substantially unqualified" to run the Iraq Study Group. Guess they should have asked Palin to lead it.
December 4, 2006
The Iraq surrender group
By Frank Gaffney
On Wednesday, an unelected, unaccountable and substantially unqualified commission will formally report what hasn't already been leaked about its recommendations with respect to the conflict in Iraq. The title of the commission is the Iraq Study Group (ISG). Given the nature of its contribution, a better name would be the Iraq Surrender Group.*
Led by former Secretary of State James Baker and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, the ISG's members have reportedly decided that the United States must withdraw its forces from Iraq, that we must start doing so in substantial numbers by 2008 and that we have to open negotiations with Iran and its wholly owned subsidiary, Syria.
Posted by takemyveepplease at 09/02/2008 @ 11:49pm
"‘Energy independence' for the United States was touted by Nixon in 1974, by Ford in 1975, by Carter in 1977, by Reagan in 1981, by Bush Senior in 1991, by Clinton in 1992 and by Bush Junior in 2003, during which time American oil imports doubled."
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/02/2008 @ 11:53pm
Let us all pray that enough American's really aren't as dumb as McCain and the republicans think; that people will buy this VP pick as anything but a really bad joke.
Speaking of bad jokes, anyone see Mr. Bush's speech on NBC tonight? The live feed didn't include the audio from Minnesota, so there was all this awkward pausing and goofy smiling while I guess people were supposed to have been roaring their approval. Classic GW, standing there looking like a total jackass! It would be a lot funnier if he wasn't responsible for so much misery and death.
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/02/2008 @ 11:53pm
Hear no Obama, see no Obama, speak "no Obama"
It's as easy as one, two, three...
Rushrovianisms thrive on uninterested presumptions...
Posted by ttr at 09/03/2008 @ 12:00am
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/02/2008 @ 11:53pm
Kind of like the right always getting elected on the anti-abortion platform, and we still are yet to have seen RvW overturned, even in the time Republicans ruled the universe!
Or how republicans are always courting the stupid with tough talk against the immorality of hollywood and the eroding of family values. Meanwhile, Fox , the most right-wing network ever, continues to air programming with some of the most explicit content on network television BEFORE primetime!
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/03/2008 @ 12:03am
Yeah, she was ignorant before she was an expert, but not before she was vetted... after she was not vetted.
Oh forget it.
And I think--- that is the point... my frrrienndsss.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/03/2008 @ 12:06am
Happy-Neither Hillary nor Palin have gone through anything,other than what candidates always go through and,guess what,our enemies won't care if they're women and won't treat them differently and we shouldn't either.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/03/2008 @ 12:14am
Meanwhile, Fox , the most right-wing network ever, continues to air programming with some of the most explicit content on network television BEFORE primetime!
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/03/2008 @ 12:03am
i've always been quite insulted by the sheer violence presented on fox.
(i have no idea what mike judge is doing there........)
watch a football game on fox. i sit with my son. cut to commercials. and it's BLOOD FEST!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 12:30am
Politics is dirty...
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/03/2008 @ 12:07am
but who pays for the cleanup?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 12:32am
Huge sections of northern ice shelf lost in August, researchers report
MATTHEW CAMPBELL
Globe and Mail Update
September 2, 2008 at 11:53 PM EDT
Massive pieces of Canada's northern ice shelf broke away in early August, a team of researchers reported on Tuesday. The 50-square-kilometre Markham shelf, located on the northern coast of Ellesmere Island, is now floating free in the Arctic ocean along with a larger portion of the Serson shelf.
Meanwhile, remnants of the Ward Hunt ice shelf, which attracted international publicity when it collapsed in July, continue to float away from the Ellesmere shore.
Collapses like those this summer worry scientists since shelf ice, unlike more ephemeral sea ice, can be as much as 4,500 years old and 40 metres thick.
Dr. Derek Mueller, the Roberta Bondar Fellow in Northern and Polar Studies at Trent University in Peterborough, Ont., said recent losses of shelf ice -- totalling 214 square kilometres this summer in the Canadian north -- are almost certainly the result of global warming.
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PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS WOMAN.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 01:35am
just leave her alone.
the more you point out how bad she is,
the more she will be defended.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER DISTRACTION!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 01:50am
Gee...Lil...Is it that tough a call for you?
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 01:04am | ignore this person | warn this person
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She 'ran' a city with hundreds of employees? Really, John? What was that, John? 'Cause Moosefart only had about 50 or so employees.
And you're 'touting' her support of the 'bridge to nowhere'?...and the flip-flop when she jumped on the bandwagon after everyone noticed what a boondoggle it was? Wow. You actually think that's impressive?
And 80% approval rating? When she won the governors race, she got 115,000 votes. That's 115,000, John. I know that probably sounds like a 'big' number to someone like you John. But really...here's a clue...it's not. In fact, it's laughable and pathetic.
Oh, and I think you forgot her biggest accomplishment John. In barely 20 months, she managed to set off not 1, but 2 ethics investigations into her conduct...by the other Republicans in Alaskan government...for abusing her power in a petty, personally-driven, vendetta. You know - just like the past 8 years of abuse of power and personal vendettas that drove support for Republicans so far into the crapper that the best shot they have at keeping the next election from being a total blowout disaster for them...
...is to run candidates who pretend they are 'maverick' Republicans!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 02:35am
Meanwhile - back in the reality the rest of the world inhabits (obviously without the wingnut, doofus, fringe)...
Barack Obama - broken home, raised by grandparents, went on to receive BA from Columbia University, then law degree, graduating magna cum laude, Harvard Law School, editor of the Harvard Law Review, first black President of the Harvard Law Review, director of several community job training and voter registration organizations that helped hundreds of thousands of disadvantaged, prefessor of constitutional law for a dozen years, 3 terms in the Illinois state Senate gaining a reputation as a bipartisan reformer on a variety of issues such as predatory lending, racial profiling, welfare reform, and health care for the disadvataged.
Then on to the US Senate race where he won 70% of the vote (against the pathetic 27% for the Republican alan Keyes...the largest landslide in such races in Illinois history.) There, in what dufuss John calls 'sitting on his hands in silent stupor' Obama sat on 7 or so Senate Comittes including Forign Relations, Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security, and as Chairman of European Affairs. (Pssst John...you know...forign poilcy experience.) A quick google also shows introducing "Obama-Lugar" (on further securing WMDs), "Coburn-Obama" (on full disclosure of federal funding to organizations), "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act", "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", "Defense Authorization Act", and much, much, more.
And need I mention the books he wrote? And other published writings?
And did I mention Obama won 3.6 million votes in the Senate race. (Man...and John thought that 115,000 vote thing was big?)
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 03:24am
Hey John...are you even capable of understanding all that..is it that tough a call for you?
Yea...I know...it is.
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 03:24am
And did I mention Obama won 3.6 million votes in the Senate race.
John, even if you took ALL the votes Palin has EVER received in her political lifetime and added them together, then added an additional zero, then DOUBLED that, then tried to compare that to the number of votes Obama got just in his last statewide election...
...it STILL wouldn't even come close!!!
Is it that tough a call for you?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 03:32am
But Fred Thompson assures us she is the only VP nominee who "knows how to properly field dress a moose."
And Fred wasn't kidding.
So when push comes to shove with the Russkies, she'll be right out there, putting her hard won knowledge into action, keeping the rest of us safe.
Feel better now?
Posted by sloper at 09/03/2008 @ 04:24am
I guess in Dreyfuss's mind she's the worst VP nominee in history-untill 2012, when THAT nominee becomes the worst Repub vp nom...(yawn)
God, could we have a little objectivity here
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/03/2008 @ 07:19am
""Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God.
That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."-Sarah Palin speaking at her church
Pray for a plan. That's her plan.
BEst candidate for the job, JOMAMMA would hire her.
I am with Lillian, buwahahahahaaaaa.
ignore EVERYTHING the cons have said in the last years, it means nothing. Experience? nope, don't need it. Moral grounding? Nope, that's for others.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/03/2008 @ 07:33am
This is the same crowd that would yell, "crucify him".
Posted by lachatte at 09/02/2008 @ 9:26pm
That would be precisely what they would do. Imagine Jesus somehow miraculously stepping into the world as we know it now.
I'm sure he'd be all for the Iraq war, and of course posting missile radar sites on the Russian border. Thou must blowest thine enemy into tiny bits in order to maintain the status quo.
Anybody threatening the powers that be is railroaded, smeared, and politically destroyed if not physically destroyed. A guy stepping forward telling the rich that they need to take care of their brothers (countries and even countries we don't like)? That will never happen under the neocons patrol.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/03/2008 @ 07:53am
The desperation on the right to convince us that FailinPalin is competent and capable is so thick you can cut it with a rubber knife.
I can hardly wait to read the papers each morning to discover what new surprises theses wingnuts have provided for us.
Absolutely spectacular entertainment and I'd be laughing so hard I might mess myself, if only the stakes weren't so damned high....
Posted by StoneSoupStation at 09/03/2008 @ 08:22am
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/03/2008 @ 08:42am
Okay, Darin, who's been a worse pick for Veep and why?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 09:18am
Darin, go ahead and list her qualifications. according to what the cons have been telling us for decades, she isn't too good at the parenting end, so that whacks out her 2nd qualification for the Taliban, whelping five kids. Her first being her appearance/breasts/girly parts. Oh, and her opposition to womens reproductive freedom.
Foreign policy experience= zilch
dealing with a bi-partisn congress over which she will preside- zilch
(which brings up the question, would she be part of the Executive, the Legislative or neither? You guys should decide that up front this time)
dealing with Trillion dollar budgets- zilch
Immigration policy experience- zilch, OK maybe some immigration in AK, but c'mon!
Fighting the evil influence of unions- hehe.
so, what is it that draws you to her, other than the five kids, breasts and ability to be a Barracuda? (not to be confused with "a Bitch", which is what Hillary is known as in con circles).
Posted by crabwalk at 09/03/2008 @ 09:39am
She is about as good as Joe Biden. I mean the man has a lot of foreign policy experience but what good is that experience when he has been wrong all the time. He was for detente with the USSR when Reagan was President. He was against the first gulf war and the second. He wanted to split Iraq up in thirds. He was against the surge. He makes wild off the cuff remarks that he has to apologize for. I could go on for days.
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 10:06am
Posted by crabwalk at 09/03/2008 @ 09:39am
Now, now, wait a minute CRAB.
There is SOMETHING kind of interesting here, that Darin, MAASCH, LVLIB, PONTI, HAPPY!!!!!!, etc. might not exactly like about Palin....
she passed a windfall profits tax on Oil Companies drilling in Alaskan fields.
Perhaps she'll push the same thing as Veep!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, boys on the Right?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:08am
Okay, Darin, who's been a worse pick for Veep and why?
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Oooooooooooooooo...this should be good!
(Now that Palin is out there, the 'googles' are all abuzz with 'worst VP' lists. Will Darin just cut and paste - or think up something on his own?)
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 10:12am
No one in this thread has actually argued that Palin is the worst VP candidate ever chosen by a major political party. Hell, she might not even be in the top five even if she were elected.
By the way, off the top of my head, with only scant knowledge of most 19th Century VP's, let alone candidates, these gents would comprise my VP Hall of Shame: Andrew Johnson (Lincoln's second VP and the worst president in U.S. History; yes worse than G.W. Bush), James Garner (FDR terms 1 and 2), Spiro Agnew (Nixon), Quayle (Bush I) and Cheney (Bush II).
Posted by cka2nd at 09/03/2008 @ 10:25am
(Now that Palin is out there, the 'googles' are all abuzz with 'worst VP' lists. Will Darin just cut and paste - or think up something on his own?)
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 10:12am
Cool! Would you please post some of your favorite examples here, or give us some links?
Posted by cka2nd at 09/03/2008 @ 10:28am
Posted by cka2nd at 09/03/2008 @ 10:25am
CKA, I don't think the star of "Maverick" and "The Rockford Files" was Roosevelt's Veep....
I think you mean JOHN Nance Garner.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:32am
cka2nd: how'd you forget Johnson...Lincolns VP?
Posted by Brillig at 09/03/2008 @ 10:40am
cka2nd: arg, you didn't...and I don't see an edit function much less a delete post function anywhere...<sigh>
Posted by Brillig at 09/03/2008 @ 10:50am
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Yep...I thought so. The whole 'thinking' thing isn't really your cup of tea, is it John.
(Actually John, I thought your response was MUCH more articulate than what we're used to seeing from you. )
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 11:50am
He was against the first gulf war and the second. He wanted to split Iraq up in thirds. He was against the surge. He makes wild off the cuff remarks that he has to apologize for. Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 10:06am
Come on, you can do better than that can't you?
How was being against the second gulf war wrong? How was being against the surge wrong?
He makes remarks off the cuff? What about your golden boy W? "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, and, and, well, you aren't going to fool me anymore".
Then there's McCain, "Bomb Iran, Bomb, bomb Iran....ha ha ha".
Biden is a good choice for a democratic vice presidential candidate. He has the credentials for the job, he has experience. Where's Palin's portfolio?
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/03/2008 @ 11:51am
How was being against the second gulf war wrong? How was being against the surge wrong? Posted by Wolfgang1
Maybe you like the way Sadaam starved the Iraqi kids and murdered their parents but I don't. The surge is working.
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 1:02pm
Abell-You guys invited terrorists to come into Iraq and kill Iraqis.You don't care about Iraqis or what Saddam did to them.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/03/2008 @ 1:25pm
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 1:02pm
Always curious, what numbers do the Neo-con Right like you believe in?
specifically, how many Iraqis have died SINCE we invaded Iraq versus under Saddam?
"A million under Saddam; maybe a couple thousand after we invaded"?....what?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 1:42pm
While we chuckle at fools such as Gaffney, they are dead serious about destroying what is left of our liberal democracy. Lying and talking nonesense is of little consequence to them. They will do whatever is necessary to achieve their goals. So, while the Palin episode provides some comic relief, let us not forget that the Republicans are tenacious, determined and ruthless opponents.
Posted by robgo2 at 09/03/2008 @ 2:13pm
You guys invited terrorists to come into Iraq and kill Iraqis.You don't care about Iraqis or what Saddam did to them. Posted by i'm nobody
I don't remember sending out invitations. Why do you try to blame Americans for something the terrorists did. I suppose America was responsible for 911 too.
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 2:47pm
Abell-I do remember Bush sending out invitations when he told terrorists to come to Iraq and "bring it on".No,I don't believe that America is responsible for 9/11, as I have stated numerous times.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/03/2008 @ 3:00pm
To clarify my statement of last evening, I am no Hillary apologist, merely pointing out that in contrast to those who have prepared themselves to aspire to high office, this woman comes in off the tundra, la-di-dah, like Diane Keaton in "Annie Hall." It just doesn't seem right that she's an unknown quantity today and possibly the President tomorrow. I think they may have cut a few corners in the "vetting process," such as it was.
Posted by Janet Shawl at 09/03/2008 @ 3:39pm
I don't remember sending out invitations. Why do you try to blame Americans for something the terrorists did. I suppose America was responsible for 911 too.
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 2:47pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Actually, the chaos caused by the American invasion created an opening and a recruitment incentive. Incidentally, Bush DID say "Bring em on!"
Perhaps that was taken as an invitation in some quarters?
Posted by brunowe at 09/03/2008 @ 4:10pm
When she won the governors race, she got 115,000 votes. That's 115,000, John. I know that probably sounds like a 'big' number to someone like you John. But really...here's a clue...it's not. In fact, it's laughable and pathetic.
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 02:35am
I guess Joe Biden is pathetic then by that standard.
Biden won re-election in 2002 with 135,253 votes
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 4:42pm
I guess in Dreyfuss's mind she's the worst VP nominee in history-untill 2012, when THAT nominee becomes the worst Repub vp nom...(yawn)
God, could we have a little objectivity here
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/03/2008 @ 07:19am
Like on Fox news? Or maybe you mean just repeating what happened today but with little or no analysis... Just good 'ol repetition - the lowest form of intelligence
Posted by ADHD at 09/03/2008 @ 4:51pm
Bush DID say "Bring em on!" Perhaps that was taken as an invitation in some quarters? Posted by brunowe
Yeah and we killed them.
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 5:06pm
Posted by cka2nd at 09/03/2008 @ 10:25am
CKA, I don't think the star of "Maverick" and "The Rockford Files" was Roosevelt's Veep....
I think you mean JOHN Nance Garner.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:32am
Oops! Thanks for the correction, Mask.
Posted by cka2nd at 09/03/2008 @ 5:27pm
"As I'm listening to Mr. Bush give his speech, I can hardly understand why they would even invite him to the show. 25% approval ratings and all that."
Twenty-Five percent approval rating....
Hell, that's good.
Wanna know BAD, try 9. Yep, 9%. That congress's approval rating under the guidance of Pelosi and Reid. 9% It's like 100 - 81 = 9. That's BAD.
And guess who was all over the screen in Denver....
Right again. Pelosi and Reid.
Give me a break.
To chickensh#$@ to withhold funding for the Iraq debacle. But pushed a bill through to bailout greedy home flippers.
Change?? Well 25% down to 9%...
That IS change.
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/03/2008 @ 7:11pm
Yeah and we killed them.
Posted by abell12ct at 09/03/2008 @ 5:06pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Actually, the Sunnis did that, without a great deal of help from us.
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When she won the governors race, she got 115,000 votes. That's 115,000, John. I know that probably sounds like a 'big' number to someone like you John. But really...here's a clue...it's not. In fact, it's laughable and pathetic.
Posted by Lillian at 09/03/2008 @ 02:35am
I guess Joe Biden is pathetic then by that standard.
Biden won re-election in 2002 with 135,253 votes
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 4:42pm | ignore this person | warn this person"
True, but that was 58% of the vote vs. only 48% for Palin.
Apples-and-oranges. Lillian was speaking of total votes gained
Posted by brunowe at 09/03/2008 @ 8:53pm
Apples-and-oranges. Lillian was speaking of total votes gained
And so were you, meant to delete that clause before posting.
Posted by brunowe at 09/03/2008 @ 8:56pm
Robert Dreyfuss, sloper, Janet Shawl,
Sarah Palin is FULLY CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED FOR THE OFFICE OF VICE PRESIDENT and this silly childish argument about lacking experience is simply that, a bogus, childish argument. President's and Vice President's are elected to serve and govern the people of America, not to be social engineers and masters of the entire world. This is the disconnect in the American brain these days. You, like most others in the 50 states, think that a person is chosen to be LORD AND MASTER OF THE ENTIRE EARTH when in fact the exact opposite is true. If our foreign and domestic policies were what they should be, the products of a Republic and not an Empire, then said foreign policy experience would be irrelevant as it would not be necesary because we would MIND OUR OWN F*CKING BUSINESS and not intervene in the affairs of others. But since Americans are the busy bodies of planet earth, sticking their noses in everyone's business, then I guess you people would want and need some foreign policy guru to pull your genitals out of the fire on a daily basis............
Posted by POSEIDON at 09/03/2008 @ 11:06pm
It's not a joking matter. The Big Lie, along with electronic vote manipulation is going to take the election. Liberals should remember the Second Amendment applies to them also. Learn to shoot back. Don't you hear the undercurrent of "Sieg Heil" at the Republican Convention. Lying, stupid crap. And it will win another election, because Obama takes the high road.
McCain has the stupid vote sewn up. McCain has the ignorant vote sewn up. McCain has the Whites Only vote sewn up. Palin's husband has the Nascar vote sewn up. Palin has the unwed mother vote sewn up. Republicans have the Diebold vote sewn up.
Please remember Sarah Palin and Rudy Guiliani didn't right those speeches, they just read them.
Compare with the Democratic Convention.
Never overestimate the intelligence of the American Voter.
Posted by georgepweb at 09/03/2008 @ 11:22pm
"Please remember Sarah Palin and Rudy Guiliani didn't right those speeches, they just read them."
I seem to remember another candidate.... oh, a week or so ago ... out in a western state .... maybe Colorado .... that was READING a speech he didn't write...
Which means the statment:
"Never overestimate the intelligence of the American Voter."
applies to more people than you may think.....
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/03/2008 @ 11:47pm
"Please remember Sarah Palin and Rudy Guiliani didn't right those speeches, they just read them."
right instead of write. Freudian slip or uneducated doofus?
Posted by emile duBois at 09/04/2008 @ 12:00am
Palin may be ignorant, but the mass of people are going to love her. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. Bush is ignorant, Reagen was ignorant. Since when is ignorance a bar to the presidency? Basically, this country is f**k*d!
Anybody have some cheap tickets to New Zealand?
Posted by Mossad at 09/04/2008 @ 09:27am
Yeah, she reminded me of and her voice is just way too much like Stifler's mom in American Pie, the character actress Jennifer Coolidge.
All facade, little substance.
Tell a lie, sure, and look good doing it.
Pretty much sums up the new con repub continuing of dic'tatorship GOP/MIC war profiteering party.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/04/2008 @ 09:43am
A note about framing:
Too many progressives have accepted the right-wing frame, and continue to fall into the trap of referring to the president as the "commander in chief".
That's fine for right wing cowboys and camo'd wanna-be's, but if you're tired of our incessant militarism, and resent the fact that those who "represent" us would advocate endless war in the service of their agendas, then you would be well served to remember that we need to elect a PRESIDENT; a leader and diplomat who would have the vision and skill to restore our once-great nation without constantly threatening to blow shit up.
Posted by drhammer at 09/04/2008 @ 10:09am
I guess Joe Biden is pathetic then by that standard.
Biden won re-election in 2002 with 135,253 votes
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Well gee Larry...that would almost seem to make sense...almost...
...but only if you purposely choose to completely ignore the 30 years of elections he won, and votes he got, BEFORE that 2002 election!
Posted by Lillian at 09/04/2008 @ 10:13am
***I*** don't remember sending out invitations.
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Yeah and ***we*** killed them.
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Wow, quite a shift there. Did you grind any gears going from third gear to reverse?
Posted by Lillian at 09/04/2008 @ 10:16am
Maybe you like the way Sadaam starved the Iraqi kids and murdered their parents but I don't. The surge is working.
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Wow. What color IS the kool aide you're drinking?
I noticed you completely failed Mask's challenge to provide numbers for your allegations. I know the hate-radio stations through them around all the time...
...but your best bet would be try googling the CIA sites. See, the CIA, that's where all the propaganda...er...very reliable numbers...originated.
And you know, you can ALWAYS trust the CIA. I'm sure you'll drink to that, huh abell!
Posted by Lillian at 09/04/2008 @ 10:22am
Life begins at conception, the earth is flat, let's all "meet up" in the Gardenof Eden and sing kumbia, after we incinerate all the Muslims. These starry eyed nuts are dangerous beyond belief. They must have inherited their DNA from cock roaches if they think they can survive a nuclear winter. That isn't a solution to global warming, I don't think.
Posted by lachatte at 09/04/2008 @ 12:13pm
Well I can hardly wait until Sarah Palin starts bandying around catch words like, , Radical clerics, religious zealots, Muslim fundamentalist, Islamofascist, Islamoterrorists thus showing her true colors, or should I say, the ones that have leached out and colored her thinking. Oh yes but the Republican National Convention slogan is America first, meaning a certain Christian America with deep connections to political versus religious Zionist friends. And I thought the McCain's America was supposed to be headed in a different direction that we were going to make fiends out of enemies and play nicely on the global playground. Fat Chance!! What will the Saudi's say when Arab bloggers catch Palin's ignorant verbal slip….????
Posted by gracie_fr at 09/04/2008 @ 12:26pm
"President's and Vice President's are elected to serve and govern the people of America, not to be social engineers and masters of the entire world."
Posted by POSEIDON at 09/03/2008 @ 11:06pm
Have you been asleep the last seven years or are you just ignorant? Exactly who do you think developed and nurtured the neo-conservative ideology of American exceptualism, unilateralism, and pre-emptive war? The Democrats?
"I guess you people would want and need some foreign policy guru to pull your genitals out of the fire on a daily basis............" I guess I am looking for a "foreign policy guru," however it YOUR genitals and not ours that we will be pulling out of the fire (you can thank us later)
Posted by big_foot at 09/04/2008 @ 3:28pm