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RedditJohn McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as running mate shows how desperate he is to distract attention from the fact that he is a cranky old man with nothing to offer but more of the same. Palin is a blatant pander for the women's vote. He must think we have the collective IQ of a Tampax.
Sure, Palin is cool -- she's pretty and vivacious and athletic, a former beauty queen who runs marathons, hunts , fishes and eats mooseburgers, plus she's got five kids with unusual names like Willow and Track, including a newborn with Down's syndrome. I feel tired just thinking of what her daily life must be like, and if she were my neighbor I would probably like her a lot. It shows how deeply feminism has penetrated American culture that even anti-choice, right-wing-Christian women are breaking out of the old sugary-submissive pastel-suited stereotype. And if life were a Lifetime movie, Palin would do just fine running the country should McCain keel over. Girls can do anything! and look great doing it!
But seriously. Vice President? After a stint as the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, a town of less than 8000, and barely two years as governor of a state with more grizzly bears than people? She makes Obama's resume look as thick as Winston Churchill's.
Here's the reality: Palin is a rightwing-Christian anti-choice extremist who opposes abortion for any reason whatsoever, except to save the life of the girl or woman. No exception even for rape, incest, or the health of the woman. No exception for a ten-year-old, a woman carrying a fetus with no chance of life, a woman on the edge of suicide-- let alone the woman who is not ready to be a parent, who is escaping domestic violence, who is already stretched to the limit as a single mother. She wants to force over one million women and girls a year to give birth against their will and judgment. She wants to use the magnificent freedom the women's movement has won for her at tremendous cost and struggle--the movement that won her the right to run those marathons and run Alaska -- to take away the freedom of every other woman in the country.
Her selection does not tell us McCain is a "maverick" who is just stringing the Christian right along, wink-wink. It tells us that he has thrown in his lot with James Dobson, the Family Research Council, the Catholic hierarchy and others for whom criminalizing abortion is the number-one issue. His record of votes against abortion and birth control--125 votes out of 130 in his Congressional and Senate career-- apparently wasn't quite enough for them. By choosing Palin, he wins their enthusiastic support.
McCain is gambling that women will vote their gender, and not their interests.
I expect pro-choice women will see through this gambit pretty fast. If not, we really are as dumb as he thinks we are.
Lifetime movie, or perhaps Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
She's just cashed in her golden ticket it appears and is set to tour the magical factory with Gene Wilder as her guide.
But McCain could have made it all so much more compelling if he had given every American voter the chance to purchase the new McCain Bar and have our own chance to win!
Posted by b_kool_66 at 08/30/2008 @ 3:11pm
great bloggin', katha. this is such as sleazy stunt by flippy mac. she's a hot, smiling, fascist.
but she IS hot...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/30/2008 @ 3:14pm
Hey .. you know this will be a party WH with even more debauchery potential than Bill Clinton. Let's look at the facts
John McCain was a party animal from High School days on thru the Naval Academy (and a notable underachiever in both academically)...and a womanizer. Him and BC oughta go bar-hopping sometime: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_record.htm
Cindy McCain was a drug addict: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/
and aside from the 8 houses owns a BIG beer distributorship (oughta pull in the NASCAR vote)
(Of course they first met while McCain was married...but hey, what the hell. She has such a poor moral compass she doesn't even consider her half-sisters as siblings) http://tinyurl.com/6fexrx
Palin of course is smoking pot and slaying the wiley moose.
Oughta make for an interesting BBQ at the WH, yes?
check out their new campaign button at: http://tinyurl.com/5ppo69
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 3:22pm
Well, this tough gal has to go build a chicken house so off the blogs I go, but I'm with Katha. Women like my sweet wonderful homeschooling, veggie growing, creationist, pro-life mom of eight neighbor will be wild for Palin. The rest of us will just say WTF and shake our heads as we vote for Obama.
My neighbor is the best, but she has no clue that the only thing protecting the life she loves are the politics of the sinners she hates.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 3:22pm
>>>Here's the reality: Palin is a rightwing-christian anti-choice extremist who opposes abortion for any reason whasoever, except to save the life of the girl or woman. No exception even for rape, incest, or the health of the woman. No exception for a ten-year-old, a woman carrying a fetus with no chance of life, a woman on the edge of suicide-- let alone the woman who is not ready to be a parent, who is escaping domestic violence, who is already stretched to the limit as a single mother.<<<
Hurray, Katha!
You are correct - Palin is TOO EXTREME for America!
She also is VINDICTIVE and prone to ABUSE OF POWER, and her recent ethical troubles remind us of Karl Rove who fires public servants based on their politics. The funny thing is that Palin is WORSE THAN ROVE, in that she fires public servants because they don't carry out personal family vendetta's! Small time thinking from a a small-time politician, yet McCain and the Republicans think she is ready to step in and run the United States of America if McCain's cancer acts up again and he has to step aside.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 3:37pm
Sarah Palin's sister Molly married a guy named Mike Wooten who is an Alaska State Trooper. Mike and Molly had a rocky marriage. When the marriage broke up, there was a bitter custody fight that is still ongoing. During the custody investigation, all sorts of things were brought up about Wooten including the fact that he had illegally shot a moose (yes folks this is Alaska), driven drunk, and used a taser (on the test setting, he reminds us) on his 11-year old stepson, who supposedly had asked to see what it felt like. While Wooten has turned out to be a less than stellar figure, the fact that Palin's father accompanied him on the infamous moose hunt, and that many of the dozens of charges brought up by the Palin family happened long before they were ever reported smacked of desperate custody fight. Wooten's story is that he was basically stalked by the family.
After all this, Wooten was investigated and disciplined on two counts and allowed to kept his position with the troopers. Enter Walt Monegan, Palin's appointed new chief of the Department of Public Safety and head of the troopers. Monegan was beloved by the troopers, did a bang-up job with minimal funding and suddenly got axed. Palin was out of town and Monegan got "offered another job" (aka fired) with no explanation to Alaskans. Pressure was put on the governor to give details, because rumors started to swirl around the fact that the highly respected Monegan was fired because he refused to fire the aforementioned Mike Wooten. Palin vehemently denied ever talking to Monegan or pressuring Monegan in any way to fire Wooten, or that anyone on her staff did. Over the weeks it has come out that not only was pressure applied, there were literally dozens of conversations in which pressure was applied to fire
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 3:39pm
him. Monegan has testified to this fact, spurring an ongoing investigation by the Alaska state legislature. But, before this investigation got underway, Palin sent the Alaska State Attorney General out to do some investigative work of his own so she could find out in advance what the real investigation was going to find. (No, I'm not making this up). The AG interviewed several people, unbeknownst to the actual appointed investigator or the Legislature! Palin's investigation of herself uncovered a recorded phone call retained by the Alaska State Troopers from Frank Bailey, a Palin underling, putting pressure on a trooper about the Wooten non-firing. Todd Palin (governor's husband) even talked to Monegan himself in Palin's office while she was away. Bailey is now on paid administrative leave.
As if this weren't enough, Monegan's appointed replacement Chuck Kopp, turns out to have been the center of his own little scandal. He received a letter of reprimand and was reassigned after sexual harrassment allegations by a former coworker who didn't like all the unwanted kissing and hugging in the office. Was he vetted? Obviously not. When he was questioned about all this, his comment was that no one had asked him and he thought they all knew. Kopp, defiant, still claimed to have done nothing wrong and said to the press that there was no way he was stepping down from his new position. Twenty four hours later, he stepped down. Later it was uncovered that he received a $10,000 severance package for his two weeks on the job from Palin. Monegan got nothing.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 3:40pm
"He must think we have the collective IQ of a Tampax."
Yep....GOP and McCain betting you gals are dopes.
Besides being wrong...what does that tell you???
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 3:43pm
Sounds like it's going to be a big fancy 'wedding' at the convention, but just wait and watch the 'marriage' fall apart.
Posted by mapalesa at 08/30/2008 @ 3:44pm
Palin's better half --Michael that is:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI&feature=related
5 minutes of time well spent --Michael is the aviator on the last minute of the furiously foolish but wonderfully witty footage.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 08/30/2008 @ 3:51pm
Happy-McCain has lots of experience,but then proved that that experience means nothing because he was so ignorant as to pick a running mate that is under investigation at the time the VP choice was made.When it comes to politics,quite often, experience means to be experienced at being ignorant.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/30/2008 @ 3:55pm
Biden's "Violence Against Women Act" will be used to win the debates and the election
Irony of irony
Whatever Biden does during the debate will be pounced upon by the right-wing nuts.
Biden will loss not on issues but behavior - mistreatment of the helpless little woman 'just like what the Democrats did to Hillary' they will say. That will be the narrative!
Biden will be assaulted / slaughtered for abusing the next VP no matter what he does.
WIBLE
Posted by wible at 08/30/2008 @ 3:57pm
The entire purpose of the Palin selection was to insure that Evangelical voters could feel some modicum of enthusiasm toward McCain, someone they were resisting, and it was a purpose which succeeded in every possible way. And with Obama/Biden impossible to distinguish from McCain/Palin as to Iraqi, Afghanistani and Russian warmongering, AIPAC ownership being as wide and deep ranging as it is, the Obama campaign is understandably in a lather. I mean when Kate Pollit is inspired sufficiently to froath at the mouth about Palin you know that McCain has hit a home run.
Obama has thrown away what otherwise might have been the Democrats best chance to elect a President together with accompanying congressional majorities in recent memory. The memories of authentic progressives are typically long and all the conventions in the world won't reverse the Obama flip-flops on FISA, campaign finance reform, NAFTA and drilling. Zogby reports significant defections of liberal voters from Obama because of this unprincipled waffling. These defections plus the reignited Republican base could easily spell the difference.
Progressives should vote Nader. It looks as though you'll have a lot of company.
Posted by john lowell at 08/30/2008 @ 4:01pm
I agree and understand with the points made in this article and I realize its a piece that tries to focus on the abortion issue, but couldn't the author in passing mention the other major policy positions that reveal Palin to be hopelessly wrong-headed in her worldview?
Such as her view that global warming is not man-made? This position has been widely discredited and disproved by a majority scientific consensus. Its "the world is flat" club" all over again. Also what about the fact that she believes creationism should be taught in public schools? If any unscientifically ethnocentric narrative can be taught using public funds than I say "screw creationism! lets teach Lord of the Rings-ism. The Matrix-ism?" As a last point what about the fact that she is suing the EPA to get Polar Bears removed from the endangered species act so she can mine their habitat for fossil fuels? I think that we can become energy independent without killing more species. Call me an optimist, I guess.
Posted by dnewton at 08/30/2008 @ 4:02pm
Listening to you.
In the cool celerity of a diffident young bird I try to forget a dying behaviour, the sound of a picture and a luminous care, easily, like an earnest desire.
Francesco Sinibaldi
Posted by Sinibaldi at 08/30/2008 @ 4:03pm
Obama has less experience than Palin. He was 8 years a state senator -- a part-time job. He has been 4 years in the US Senate, but spent 2 of them running for President. With all of this experience, what has he done? What major legislative victories are the result of his efforts? There's one. He championed the effort to defeat the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in the Illinois state senate. That's it. What good are all of the elections he has won? He's done nothing with them.
Posted by Gullible at 08/30/2008 @ 4:07pm
A 4-term state senator and a Campaigning-But-"Present" US Senator. But seriously. President??? Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/30/2008 @ 3:48pm
I like that you guys are trying to destroy his time in the Senate now. Awesome. I love how crazy you guys are going. This is sweet sweet music to my ears.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/30/2008 @ 4:09pm
You know why I know the rights point about just trying to get the evangelicals is BS. There were much much better choices to do that job. He chose the worst option to complete the mission of getting evangelicals. That's why it's BS. This is a desperate move and the scramble from the right to justify this and start throwing out terms like sexism and ageism is proof of that desperation.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/30/2008 @ 4:14pm
2Hap "Gender and gender only" ... puh-lease. Please tell me you aren't that stupid. You DO realize that gender was the main reason she was chosen right?
But I guess you're up for a bit of gratuitous pandering....
bout par for the course I suppose
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 4:22pm
Hey, Sarah Palin wants her "Bring'em on" moment too.
http://tinyurl.com/5by79t
&&&&&&
WOW, Palin fits right in with a hsuB / cHeney / McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS new con repub dic'tator admin:
"I do now have to tell Alaskans that such pressure could have been perceived to exist although I have only now become aware of it," Palin said.
But Palin said her decision to fire Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan last month had nothing to do with his refusal to dump trooper Mike Wooten.
The governor said evidence of what she called a "smoking gun" conversation, and other calls made by her aides, only recently surfaced as the attorney general started an inquiry at her request into the circumstances surrounding her firing of Monegan. Palin wanted the review because a special investigator hired by the Legislature is about to investigate the firing and a legislator has been quoted in a newspaper story talking about impeachment.
The majority of the calls came from Palin's chief of staff at the time, Mike Tibbles, according to information gathered by the state attorney general's office. Attorney General Talis Colberg and Palin's husband, Todd, also contacted Monegan about the trooper."
http://tinyurl.com/6embgh
Doesn't that all sound so very familiar?
Just don't Plame me for stating the facts mam...
er,
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/30/2008 @ 4:23pm
Happy-So,what you are saying is that if McCain had picked a male then the democrats would not have put that male down and would have supported that male choice,but is against this choice,not because she is under investigation and not because she flip flopped on the bridge to nowhere, and not because she admitted to knowing nothing about Iraq,etc,but because she is a woman.I noticed that you avoided my post to you about experience and getting a running mate who is under investigation in favor of nonsense about women and democrats.Your target audience does not read the Nation.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/30/2008 @ 4:29pm
Yesterday republicans were praising this choice,but after 24 hours they are,mostly,hiding because they figured how bad this choice is and,simply,can't spin it.Happy is trying,but failing miserably,to spin it.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/30/2008 @ 4:36pm
But it's McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS that calls his wife a cunt, but can't even afford to pay the rent on all the mansions he lives in!
And then smiles and laughs when someone called Hillary a bitch.
I sure those with other film clips will beg the question of Palin-- what does she really think of her willing subjugation to McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/30/2008 @ 4:42pm
A woman from Alaska who hunts and goes fishing is my type of woman,but not McCain's type and the wrong one for him to have picked.Never pick a running mate who is under investigation..All that experience and McCain can't figure that out?
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/30/2008 @ 4:49pm
and probably selling it like Barry did.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 5:24pm
and a youthful FrGr 'probably' went down on guys...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/30/2008 @ 5:34pm
for money. 'Probably'
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/30/2008 @ 5:39pm
Could very well be that McCain uses colorful language. Alot of Presidents have...
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 5:24pm
Yeah, Nixon.
But then Nixon again never sang 'bomb bomb bomb bomb Vietnam'. So McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS is probably a lot worse.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/30/2008 @ 5:44pm
FrankLimbaugh-I see that Rush has told you what to say and you said it.The trooper,as you know,was cleared,but I'm not surprised to see a Clinton cult follower excusing abuse of power since that was Bill's and Hill's favorite past time.No one,but lvliberty,is buying into your bs and you are just making yourself look more childish every day.No politician is above reproach and if doing favors for family members by abusing your power is the way she will rule in Washington then she is your typical politician.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/30/2008 @ 5:53pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/30/2008 @ 4:05pm
:-)
Posted by john lowell at 08/30/2008 @ 6:38pm
Speaking of women with the wrong man for the job:
"My father had nothing. He and my mother sold everything they had to raise $10,000," she said. "I'm proud of what my dad and my mother did and what they built and left me. And I intend to carry their legacy as long as I can."
Cindy meant to say, "I intend their legacy to carry me as long as it can."
http://tinyurl.com/5kbkcq
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/30/2008 @ 7:08pm
If the obama/Biden ticket were reversed, that's a ticket I could lve with but it's not.----Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 5:21pm
Another lie from FRANK.
If FDR and Jack Kennedy were running mates this year for the Dems, FRANK would vote for McCain...
it's ALL about getting Hillary 2012.
Everybody, even his new right-wing friends, know he'll turn on a President McCain before 2009 is over!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 7:10pm
Folks, our country is in BIG trouble. Our economy is in dire straits. In addition to not dealing with torture, abuse of the Constitution; banks are closing at rapid pace; people are losing their homes, their jobs and their possessions more and more each day. We're hated and ridiculed all over the world, and worse. None of this is because we have no one who fishes, hunts, eats moose burgers and has a down syndrome infant. Let's not allow ourselves to become distracted. This "Miss Congeniality" was a rabid right wing talk show host who only recently got her passport. These times require the intelligence of people who understand constitutional law and diplomacy.
Posted by WeldonRobeson at 08/30/2008 @ 7:15pm
*This gets funnier and funnier all the time. The democrats reject a woman who's the most qualified of all the candidates to be President, then they critisize the repubs for choosing a woman who has a stronger background that their own candidate.*
Forgive me, but besides being a mayor of a village and governor of a state with the third smallest population for eighteen months, what exactly HAS she done? What is her foreign policy background? National defense? There is one simple fact you cannot deny, Frank: McCain could very well find himself in a situation where he is incapacitated (possibly for an extended period of time) and Palin would have almost zero skills tp draw upon to deal with the situations that would arise. I see nothing in her background that honestly qualifies her as a governor, much less the second office in this land. I'm not even going to get into the ethical slips, she's little more than a "hockey mom" with ambition. I guess, however, that's enough for you Frank.
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:03pm
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/30/2008 @ 8:07pm
MAASCH, let me ask you, straight up...
YOU know that FRANK is only supporting McCain/Palin to keep 2012 open for Hillary?
...and that if McCain won, he'd turn on him and start attacking him within 6 months of the Inaugural (for the same reason)?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 8:17pm
I don't back candides (fictional French characters aren't my forté) but looking at the options out there Obama is the most attractive one. Though you're making a very big assumption, I am in fact most likely going to vote for McKinney because Obama will win my state easily and I want some party diversity in the process.
Barring that, tell me the horribly pressing needs the town of Wasilla, Alaska, has that would call for bold decision making or strong interpersonal skills. You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that Alaska is like Texas, which means it is a strong legislative state. The governor jus suggests laws, it's the legislature that gets them moving.
Sarah Palin has no national policy experience period. She's a major lightweight that just happens to have a vagina and an R after her name. The fact that that is good enough for you says more about you than I care to think about.
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:26pm
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/30/2008 @ 8:29pm
Oh, come on, John.
You HONESTLY are going to say you weren't going to vote for WHOEVER the Repubs put up this year...especially if it was Hillary as nominee and ATLEAST as much since it's Obama??!??!?!?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 8:33pm
*too bad, but I guess his son might be around...they are grooming him and he is , what does HAPPY say...HALF and HALF..1/2 angelo, 1/2 hispanic, and 100 % conservative...the world and the worms turns..*
Actually it was my understanding that Jeb's son was more of a moderate than Dad, and MUCH more photogenic. He's also well-spoken and very politically skilled, but as far as I've found out he hasn't shown much interest in the family business. But he's also in his late 20's, let's give it a few years.
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:36pm
*Ok, so you don't feel that a mayor of a small town does anything important or a governor of a state as large as Alaska doesn't count. Can you guess which MALE governor has only two years experience in a smaller state but was on Mccain short, short list?*
Ultimately irrelevant as he did NOT pick him but rather chose her. And Alaska is geographically huge but population-wise ranks in the bottom five in the US.
*Can you at least give her credit for exposing corrupt republicans and getting rid of them.*
Given.
*Or for giving everyone a tweleve hundred dollar check when her state benefitted from the energy boom?*
Actually that check has existed in Alaska for a very long time. I went to college with a girl who was a citizen of Alaska and she got a check every January that paid off a few of her bills. It's one of the reasons why becoming a citizen of Alaska is tough but worth it (honestly I'd live in Juneau!).
*Or how about giving birth to a downs syndrome baby that most liberal women would have aborted. Can you find it in your heart to give her props for those things?*
A personal CHOICE on her part is also ultimately irrelevant, but I'll turn that back on you Frank. How much attention do you think she will be able to dedicate to her office with the extra challenges of a special needs child? I respect her decision but the road she has ahead of her will be difficult enough without the pressures of national office on top of it. In fact, I would speculate even being governor with a working husband would be almost near insanity with the attention her new baby would need. Should that disqualify her? Not necessarily. Should it be a factor in the decision? You bet your bippie.
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:46pm
*JM: only range-fed beef goes in my gut, protein-rich grasses. good stuff! stronger flavor than grain-fed beef. give it whirl sometime, all you need on the meat is salt.*
What? No steak au pouivre?
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:47pm
If she gives as good as she gets in a debate with Biden...cool. If she does the damsel in distress routine I hope he flattens her.
I loathe tough women who turn into girly girls when it's convenient. I know it's chauveinistic but I expect better from my own.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 8:48pm
This is all so sad and so needless. If we would be like Finland (KVH says Finland is good) and have 15 or 20 political parties, and some sort of socialism-du-jour, then all would be good!
Posted by sntauri at 08/30/2008 @ 8:52pm
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:26pm
Now, now, don't give in to vagina envy-though I can't blame you! They are tidy, tucked away and never have to be removed from a three-year old boy's zipper (my poor brothers-I wouldn't let my boys near zippered pants until they were five).
Yup, vaginas are spiffy and we love having them!
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 8:56pm
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/30/2008 @ 9:00pm
Should have seen that coming :)but we appreciate your support!
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 9:03pm
Monegan, 57, a respected former chief of the Anchorage Police Department, said in an interview with The Washington Post's James V. Grimaldi on Friday that the governor repeatedly brought up the topic of her ex-brother-in-law, Michael Wooten, after Monegan became the state's commissioner of public safety in December 2006. Palin's husband, Todd, met with Monegan and presented a dossier of information about Wooten, who was going through a bitter custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly. Monegan also said Sarah Palin sent him E-MAILS on the subject, but Monegan declined to disclose them, saying he planned to give them to a legislative investigator looking into the matter.
Palin initially denied that she or anyone in her administration had ever pressured Monegan to fire the trooper, but this summer acknowledged more than a half a dozen contacts over the matter, including one phone call from a Palin administration official to a state police lieutenant. The call was recorded and was released by Palin's office this month. Todd Palin told a television reporter in Alaska that he did meet with Monegan, but said he was just "informing" Monegan about the issue, not exerting pressure.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:05pm
Now we know Palin is a LIAR as well because she said she "never contacted" Monegan about Wooten, when the emails PROVE just the opposite!
Way to go McCain!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:08pm
Pogge, you don't need to be brought upto speed, right?
You KNOW why FRANK is supporting McCain and Palin? And it's nothing to do with them?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 9:09pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 9:18pm
Too late, FRANKGRITS! She is toast!
Look for a withdrawal from the ticket soon with the "I don't want to be a distraction" excuse!
She pressured Monegan to fire Wooten and then lied about it to the public. And as Katha points out, her anti-abortion views are not mainstream and too extreme for America.
PALIN IS ANOTHER DISHONEST AND ETHICALLY CHALLENGED POLITICIAN WHO IS TOO EXTREME FOR AMERICA!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:26pm
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:26pm
METTE, not cast aspertions on your predictions ability, but...
didn't you also ASSURE us that Obama's Veep would be Kathleen Sebelius????
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 9:35pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 9:04pm
I just watched the Glenn Beck interview with Sarah Palin.
She's a shark. All bets are off. I don't want to see John McCain win this election, but handling her with kid gloves would be an insult to all of we women who are willing to debate in the workplace, the street, the market and even the churches without moderators to protect us.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 9:38pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 9:35pm
MASK,
I know you are trying to bait me into the right-wing Jew thing again, but the plain fact is the McCain's judgment is SERIOUSLY being questioned by his pick of Palin, and this will all unravel soon as more details come out concerning Palin's hypocrisy as a reformer and extreme views.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:42pm
"only range-fed beef goes in my gut, protein-rich grasses. good stuff! stronger flavor than grain-fed beef. give it whirl sometime, all you need on the meat is salt."
What...no fresh-ground pepper?
How about this: Palin let a genetically defective child come to term. She found out when it was well within first trimester and so could have chosen to terminate safely (for her.) Some might think that is indicative of poor judgment. I mean, what other life-altering (or nation-altering) decision might she make based on her imaginary friend's "list of things to do / not do"?
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 9:49pm
>>>He's nothing like George Bush.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 9:51pm<<<
But he VOTES with Bush 90% of the time!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:56pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 9:38pm
Cripes Frank, google her. She is in direct opposition to everything I believe and everything Hillary Clinton believes for that matter. She is very proud of her positions and they are all over the Internet in her own words. It's not like we have to make this stuff up. Her resume, thin as it is, is posted on her website as part of her bio. The woman is not remotely qualified to serve as president and if she were not a woman no one would be pulling any punches.
I want to see one of us-as in "progressive female"-in the oval office before I die, not just the first vp with a vagina who is lucky enough to have an old man drop dead there first.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 10:00pm
FG.... You mean like she's a pot-smoking moose-eater with her own little Plame-gate in Juneau?
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:05pm
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 9:42pm
I'm not trying to bait you...You're making a pretty STRONG prediction...
"Too late, FRANKGRITS! She is toast!
Look for a withdrawal from the ticket soon with the "I don't want to be a distraction" excuse!"
and I'm saying your track record for predictions is about as good as....FRANK's!
heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 10:05pm
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 10:00pm
Pogge, FRANK doesn't want to you to vote for Palin because she's a woman...
he wants you to vote for Palin because OF a woman...Hillary.
Everything he is doing or saying to get McCain elected, is so that Hillary gets to make her last (and it would be) shot at it in 2012.
Nothing more.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 10:07pm
>>> Limbaugh almost exploded in delight at the pick.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 10:00pm<<<
Limbaugh is going to be crying the blues soon as she resigns in disgrace as a last ditch effort to help the McCain ticket.
Yes, it is about McCain's JUDGMENT!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 10:09pm
How about this: Palin let a genetically defective child come to term. She found out when it was well within first trimester and so could have chosen to terminate safely (for her.) Some might think that is indicative of poor judgment. I mean, what other life-altering (or nation-altering) decision might she make based on her imaginary friend's "list of things to do / not do"?
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 9:49pm
Have you lost your freaking mind?!
Trisomy 21 is THE most common genetic anomoly in humans, one in every 800-1000 births.
These kids are wonderful! They laugh, play, sing, read, write, do arithmetic, have friends, work, act in movies and series, and enjoy life just as much as you do etc., etc., etc.
I can see you have never met a child with Downs.
So much for the compassion of the 'left'.
Posted by Benchrest at 08/30/2008 @ 10:10pm
I don't see her resigning over the trooper scandal or, well, anything. I think she wants her moment in the national spotlight and then she'll move back to Alaska and deal with whatever comes along.
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 10:12pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 10:06pm
She's fine thanks. Living in TX and making more money that her old Dad. As to the above...was playing Devils advocate. But there is a grain of fact in there that points to a dichotomy of mindset. There are many people who, if they find out early enough (well within the 1st trimester) to terminate. I personally find nothing "wrong" with this (I'm not going to say its a "good" thing either, but in many ways beats the alternative of bringing a soul into he world who will never quite fit) While there are also many who do the "God's will" argument - which is quite simply fantasy. (Just like the folks who take fertility treatments .. have a "litter" and say "It's god's will to bless us." When in fact God's will was to make sure they didn't procreate at all.)
BTW You ever copy the "Fireside Chat" a while back when I posted?
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:16pm
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 10:12pm
She has to resign.
Once Monegan does a national TV interview about the emails he received from Palin pressuring him to fire Wooten, it's over!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 10:19pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 10:00pm
I am pro-choice and I would have an abortion if a fetus had any number of defects. Because I have worked with disabled adults and children since I was 13 I know there are some things I would never put a person through. I worked in a facility once where there were dozens of patients who had been bed ridden, unable to walk, talk or react to their environment in any way since birth.(Some had tubes that pumped digestive juices into thier stomachs so they wouldn't starve to death). The one thing they did feel was pain-obviously. If you spend twenty years on a crowded, underfunded, understaffed public hopital ward you won't be repositioned as often as you should be among many other discomforts. I wouldn't force my dog to live like that much less my own flesh and blood.
However, I would never abort a Down's baby. They have enormous potential for enjoying life and bringing joy to their families. Their disability is a trade off and one of God's little miracles as far as I am concerned. I have often used them as my argument against the validity of Revalations since most of them understand the teachings of Jesus perfectly but can't make head nor tail of Revelations.
Don't oversimplify the decision to have an abortion. I've made it and in the same circumstances I would do it again, but I have never, ever treated it lightly.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 10:20pm
Bench .. see my 10:16 above. By extrapolation the logic could be extended to any number diagnosed serious genetic anomalies. A primary reason many choose abortions is to save themselves (and hence society) from the need to care for the seriously defective.
We have removed ourselves from "survival of the fittest" and there is a cogent argument that over the long term this is bad for humanity.
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:22pm
BTW, when did FRANK become a "pro-lifer"?!?!!??
About 36 hours ago?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/30/2008 @ 10:29pm
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:22pm
I found out I was pregnant months after a close friend was traumatized by first having a child so severly deformed that half it's head, genitalia and some internal organs were missing or presented outside the body and then watching doctors take heroic and pointless measures to save the baby.
I asked my OB what he would do in like circumstances and being an earnest pro-lifer he said he would do pretty much the same thing. Much as I liked him I changed doctors. My son was born healthy, but it gave me some peace to know that if something had been horribly wrong he would have been allowed to die quietly in my arms rather than on an operating table.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 10:32pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 10:05pm
Unlike MASK, I have ALWAYS known that your support of Hillary was to help whatever Republican get elected. Hillary as the nominee was the best shot the Republicans had at galvanizing the Republican base to win in November, and now dividing Democrats with the Hillary thing seems to be the only shot the Republicans have left.
You are a Republican Troll here on The Nation, and the 2012 Hillary thing doesn't fly with me at all. At least HAP and LVL are honest enough to admit it.
Although I think that Hillary may be secretly interested in undermining Obama's candidacy to promote herself one last time, to suggest that you are so attached to Hillary that you would waste time on this board promoting a 2012 speculative thing for Hillary Clinton strains credulity.
You are promoting McCain because you are a Republican operative, plain and simple!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/30/2008 @ 10:32pm
What a laugh Ms. Pollitt is. Senator Obama's resume? You're taking the bait, sucker. This will come as a shock, no doubt, but the great Senator from Illinois, where I am from, "has a resume that would fit on a post-it note with enough room to print the OED. In Chicago, where I was born in Cook County Hospital, and where I worked for a liberal who bucked the Chicago Machine in the early 70's, "community activist/organizer" choose you own silly title, is just a ward heeler. A grubbing precinct captain who helps the party get out their voters on Primary Election day. After time, the ward heeler gets to sit on the back bench of the Illinois State legislature and collect splinters in his butt as he keeps the bench warm for somebody's nephew. When the legislature's in session, said ward heeler gets a fax or hand delivered list from his china-man, every Monday morning with the week's marching orders. Is that the resume of the Democrat's choice that impresses you so? When's the last time Senator Obama raised a whimper about any activity conducted by the ongoing criminal conspiracy in Illinois called "government" From your looks Ms. Pollitt you've had a diabetic reaction to the street pretzels that you must inhale like m&m's. The East Coast pretends sophistication, but wears its clothing tags on the outside. Ms. Pollitt aint got a clue.
Posted by TeeGee at 08/30/2008 @ 10:37pm
Actually, the more I hear about this Palin/Wooten business the more I'm reminded of Deliverance. To be the chief executive of Wasila must be enough for a reissue of Dueling Banjoes. This should really impress the world!
Posted by WeldonRobeson at 08/30/2008 @ 10:42pm
Pogge....glad your child popped out fine. My first wife and I chose to terminate a pregnancy years ago. Moreso because we were poor, ill-prepared and not getting on well. It would have been a bad decision to bring a child into the world at that point in time 9and we did try "not to", but sometimes stuff don't work)
But yes, my point (that apparently only you got) was that Palin's "no abortions, no-way, no how" isn't acceptable to many Americans.
As to the medical ethics parts....tends to make some folks a bit touchy it seems. But that's OK. I teach env science classes and I often poke people in uncomfortable spots to get them to think about stuff that they choose to ignore.
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:49pm
You ladies and gentlemen are in such a twist. . .every other rant seems to continue decrying Senator McCain's "Seven Mansions", which he couldn't remember owning. I am much more taken, that the Messiah only owns One Mansion, that he bought about three years ago. Real estate transactions are not oral arguments in the Supreme Court. He can't remember sitting at a closing for a Million Dollar house whose vacant adjacent lot was sold simultaneously at the same closing for Three Million to a guy he's met a few times in 20 years named Reszko. Why would anyone want to confess to remembering that? With any luck, U.S Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald will have Barack indicted in time to see election day. You may have missed that Reszko's sentencing has just been postponed. In Chicago, that means the convicted is singing for a tailored set of strips. Sing Tony! Sing!
Posted by TeeGee at 08/30/2008 @ 10:50pm
Frank.....the Fireside Chat in case you didn't get previously
http://home.avenuebroadband.com/~dvaughn58/GOP_theater.html
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:51pm
This is just pathetic. Not the comments, which barely rise above the level of high school taunts, but Katha Pollitt's column. I thought feminism and NOW stood for the advance of all women. It seems that they are simply partisan political hacks,seeking the advance of discredited left wing ideas, under the guise of speaking out for all women. It's funny, I would have thought that feminists would be overjoyed at seeing a woman selected for the second highest elective office in the country. Unfortunately for Palin, her beliefs do not measure up to the standards for women established by their self-appointed spokesperson Pollitt.
I love how the knives have come out for her, knives being wielded by supposed "feminists". Who can blame them? The sooner they throw her under the bus, the sooner they can can get back to portraying the GOP as solely composed of old white men.
On the experience issue: Pollitt doesn't have a leg to stand on. Woodrow Wilson's vice president went from governor of Indiana to VP. FDR's second VP never held an elected office before being chosen. His only experience was as Secretary of Agriculture.
I guess it will really frost Pollitt's cookies to see HRC come so close, then have the GOP put the first woman in the office.
Posted by twillie at 08/30/2008 @ 11:01pm
"governor of a state as large as Alaska doesn't count. Can you guess which MALE governor has only two years experience in a smaller state but was on Mccain short, short list?"
Gee Frank, I guess that would be the male who had been Lt. Governor of the same state for the prior four years. Before that, he had spent two years as mayor of Richmond (pop. 200,000--that's at least 25 Wassilas).
Incidentally, as has been pointed out here, governors govern people, not geography. Alaska is VERY small population-wise. If two years of that is sufficient executive experience, then McCain could just as easily have picked the Staten Island Borough President.
Posted by brunowe at 08/30/2008 @ 11:18pm
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:49pm
The thing is two pro-lifers won't agree on what justifies abortion-though in your case I can assure you it would probably be hellfire and damnation fer sure since the world we bring children into doesn't account for much with most of them. I always want to ask if a pregnant woman should have aborted at Auschwitz? What if she were living alone on the prairie in 1866 with a husband who beat her and would damn sure beat the child?
The child we adopted was born into a decent family with a decent home. He was never physically neglected or abused, just tolerated rather than wanted. It hurt him every day of his life. We don't have much money and are old and crabby. The only difference between this family and his birth family is that we really, really love him and wanted him with us always. I know the pro-life arguement is that this is exactly why every baby should be born, but for every happy ending like ours there are thousands of tragedies. They just don't get it.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 11:54pm
Just relax Katha, you'll be able to legally kill all of the unwanted, unborn children you want.
You cite all of the extreme instances of abortion. What about most abortions, Katha, aren't they matters of convenience? A form of birth control?
But that's okay, war is legal murder too, isn't it?
Rowe vs Wade is the law of the land. And a McCain/Palin administration isn't going to change that. I think what bothers pro-choice advocates is that Palin may just get people to to take another look at the morality of abortion.
Just like I bet you want pro war people to look at the morality of warfare they support.
Posted by freiheit1 at 08/30/2008 @ 11:58pm
On March 1, 2006, Grimes sustained the allegations, saying, "The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession." Wooten was suspended for five days.
That fall, in a surprise, Palin defeated Gov. Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary and went on to win the general election. She took office in December 2006 and appointed Monegan, who'd just retired as Anchorage police chief after five years, to be public safety commissioner, a cabinet position.
In January 2007, Palin's husband, Todd, a commercial fisherman, oil company worker and champion snowmobile racer who was now first gentleman of Alaska, invited Monegan to the governor's office. Todd Palin asked Monegan to look into the Wooten matter. Monegan did and later told Todd there was nothing he could do because the matter was closed.
Monegan told The Washington Post that Palin called him a few days later on his cellphone, and that he told her the same thing. She brought it up again in February 2007 in the state capitol building and Monegan warned her to stay at arm's length.
Monegan said Palin mostly backed off, but kept raising the matter indirectly through e-mails. In the fall of 2007, Monegan said he alerted her to a bad jury verdict against a trooper in rural Alaska, and she replied by mentioning Wooten, but not by name.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/31/2008 @ 12:07am
"She said troopers like this one and my former brother-in-law, or that trooper I used to be related to, are the things that make people not trust troopers," Monegan told The Post yesterday.
Monegan said he also got telephone calls from three Palin appointees, including her then-chief of staff, Mike Tibbles; Commissioner Annette Kreitzer of the Department of Administration; and Attorney General Talis Colberg.
Colberg said at a news conference this year that he was one of staffers who called Monegan. Colberg said he called after Todd Palin asked him about "the process" for when state troopers make death threats against the first family.
"I made an inquiry and was told by Commissioner Monegan that there was a process in place and that it was handled and it was over. And I reported back to the first gentleman that there was nothing more that could be done," Colberg said.
With each of the calls, Monegan became more concerned and warned each caller about exposing the state to litigation from Wooten. Monegan told Tibbles: "This is not your issue. This is something I am supposed to handle. Every time we talk about this, it is discoverable. Do you want this trooper to own your house?"
Meanwhile, Todd Palin continued to collect evidence against his former brother-in-law and lobbied for his dismissal, records and interviews show. In April 2007, he told the Anchorage Daily News that he met just once with Wooten's boss, Col. Audie Holloway, to give her pictures of Wooten driving a snowmobile when he was out on a worker's compensation claim.
The legislative investigation is looking into whether information was leaked from Wooten's personnel file.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/31/2008 @ 12:09am
In an interview yesterday, Alaska Deputy Attorney General Michael Barnhill said that a member of the governor's staff made at least one telephone call to Holloway about the snowmobile incident reported by Todd Palin. Diane Kiesel, Alaska state personnel director, called because she believed the troopers should know there might be a violation of law, Barnhill said.
"People in the administration made contact with the Department of Public Safety to deal with the worker's compensation file," he said.
Barnhill said the attorney general's office does not think the governor's staff should be banned from making calls about Wooten to his superiors.
In July, Palin's chief of staff told Monegan he was being fired because the governor wanted to "go in a different direction," Monegan said.
Monegan went public, alleging that his firing was connected to his failure to remove Wooten. The state legislature launched its investigation, and the governor asked the attorney general's office to conduct an internal investigation.
Barnhill said the review, made public two weeks ago, found that half a dozen officials had made about two dozen phone calls regarding Wooten. But only one call was determined to be improper, a tape-recorded conversation between Palin's chief of boards and commissions, Frank Bailey, to a police lieutenant.
In the call, Bailey said, "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, 'Why on earth hasn't this, why is this guy still representing the department?' "
Palin suspended Bailey with pay, saying she knew nothing about the call.
Palin still faces the review by the legislature.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/31/2008 @ 12:10am
State Sen. Hollis French (D) said that both Republicans and Democrats authorized the hiring of a former prosecutor to determine whether Palin "used her public office to settle a private score." French described the prosecutor, Steve Branchflower, as a "straight shooter,"
French said the investigation of the popular 44-year-old governor had been criticized throughout the state until about two weeks ago, when the governor's office released the audiotape of Bailey.
Such evidence points to a violation of Wooten's privacy, French said.
"We're seeing clues or signs that matters from his personal confidential file were being shared to generate talking points against the trooper as drums being pounded to get him dismissed," French said yesterday.
The legislative report is due in October.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/31/2008 @ 12:11am
With the report due out in OCTOBER from the Alaska state legislature on "whether Palin used her office to try to settle a private score", and the Washington Post hot on the case (the above posts were from that paper), if McCain doesn't cut his losses now, he is toast in OCTOBER.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/31/2008 @ 12:14am
Seriously, people! Life is not a Lifetime movie
(that's funny.)
no way. it's way better.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:17am
McCain is gambling that women will vote their gender, and not their interests.
by someone up there.
no. it's all about imagery.
he'll keep her safe.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:19am
Sounds like it's going to be a big fancy 'wedding' at the convention, but just wait and watch the 'marriage' fall apart. Posted by mapalesa at 08/30/2008 @ 3:44pm
you understand.
never say never.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:20am
Cebterffvirf fubhyq ibgr Anqre. Vg ybbxf nf gubhtu lbh'yy unir n ybg bs pbzcnal. Posted by john lowell at 08/30/2008 @ 4:01pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:21am
FemiNazis
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/30/2008 @ 4:01pm
c'mon, happy,
'nuff of this dark side nonsense.
the force is strong in you. don't let it be your master.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:23am
In the cool celerity of a diffident young bird I try to forget a dying behaviour, the sound of a picture and a luminous care, easily, like an earnest desire.
Francesco Sinibaldi
Posted by Sinibaldi at 08/30/2008 @ 4:03pm
i saw a skink today.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:25am
this tough gal has to go build a chicken house
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 3:22pm
go figure.
chicken's the only ones left who can afford a new home.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:27am
Half & Half's
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/30/2008 @ 4:30pm
happy,
under many definitions my son is Half & Half.
and my son,
eight years of empathic wisdom that is he,
would be wondering why someone would care.
why someone would be tainting the beauty that is his existence with a snarky remark whose sole purpose is to offend the heart.
we are all Half & Half.
or did you have three parents?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:32am
happy,
if you want to play politics on the "dirty" side,
your victory will be soiled,
and it can only bear the most rancid of fruits as "recent" events clearly illustrate.
if you believe a certain path of "government" is best,
than follow that path righteously,
straying not into the gullies of filth that corrupting influences offer along the way.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:39am
Prediction: by the end of September, Palin will hold a tearful press conference to discuss which of the following: (a) her husband's tax returns; (b) her husband's affairs; (c) her husband's drug use; (d) her kid's drug use; (e) her daughter's pregnancy or abortion? Will she stay on the ticket? These folks have not lived their lives anticipating public scrutiny.
Palin also gives Hillary a role in the Obama campaign.
Posted by AH at 08/31/2008 @ 12:49am
Could very well be that McCain uses colorful language.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 5:24pm
twat in the world are you talking about?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:51am
Watch the repubs convention and listen to their side. you'll sleep better.
Posted by frankprojects at 08/30/2008 @ 7:36pm
this comment is very telling.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:53am
Guess your true colors are coming out now.
Posted by frankprojects at 08/30/2008 @ 7:37pm
this comment is very telling.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:55am
come on, everyone, LETS ALL GROW UP ALREADY.
Posted by Zero at 08/30/2008 @ 8:29pm
i sure do miss the html bold.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:56am
come on, everyone, LETS ALL GROW UP ALREADY.
Posted by Zero at 08/30/2008 @ 8:29pm
this woman is being used.
for her imagery,
and if they pull it off,
she'll be shoved aside to the office of the 17th branch of government.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 12:57am
On the experience issue: Pollitt doesn't have a leg to stand on. Woodrow Wilson's vice president went from governor of Indiana to VP. FDR's second VP never held an elected office before being chosen. His only experience was as Secretary of Agriculture.
You've missed the point. The issue is that selecting Palin totally cancels McCain's use of the experience argument. Incidentally, Wallace had also served as Commerce Secretary and had started a successful agricultural business.
Posted by brunowe at 08/31/2008 @ 01:00am
I do not think McCain and Bush are the same..
by john maasch
nor do i.
however their teams of "advisors" are.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:00am
range-fed beef
Posted by yutsano at 08/30/2008 @ 8:47pm
but cows have such beautiful eyes.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:02am
I loathe tough women who turn into girly girls when it's convenient. I know it's chauveinistic but I expect better from my own.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 8:48pm
damn straight.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:05am
Frosty, lay off Happ and the Half and Half crap.
Three decades ago some fool in Montana chewed me out because I, a 19 year old, hadn't had even one baby for the white race. Scandalous! He asked me an interesting question though, how was I going to feel someday when there were no more blue-eyed blondes.
I replied that if it meant fewer people like him it couldn't be an entirely bad thing, but that ultimately our descendants would probably all be part Chinese anyway so he could kiss my curls and round eyes good-bye too. If it gives us a shot at peace on Earth(an admittedly long one)I'm okay with it.
Happ is a bigot, he's really good at it, he's just worrying about a harmless minority instead of the vastly more dangerous majority.
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:08am
Do you remember when Al Gore debated Bush and had it all over him intelligence wise? Remember how he shook his head condescendingly whenever Bush spoke?
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 9:04p
yep.
everybody knows we need dumb people making our decisions.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:11am
Besides, it is better than eating alone.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/30/2008 @ 8:52pm
actually,
because of the current (and previouses) administration,
you're going to be eating many loans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:13am
not just the first vp with a vagina who is lucky enough to have an old man drop dead there first.
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 10:00pm
i've heard rumours about ol' dan quayle.
(sorry mr. quayle. just a joke.)
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:15am
We have removed ourselves from "survival of the fittest"
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/30/2008 @ 10:22pm)
not really.
we've mitigated some of the "entropy" in order to allow humans to breed a whole bucking funch
and live longer lives.
but we still live in the same ecosystem.
"fittest" has a much broader scope for humans than it does, say, for finches,
but ultimately,
it is still the same.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:23am
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 5:24pm
If you are out there Frank let me tell you that in 22 years of wedded bliss my husband has never used the "c" word in my presence-God bless him. If he were to use it in reference to ME he would be sharing his colorful language with my divorce lawyer.
That is the lowest insult a man can throw at a woman and almost all men know it. No woman I know would stand for it.
Maybe committing adultery lowers the bar?
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:26am
Just like I bet you want pro war people to look at the morality of warfare they support.
Posted by freiheit1 at 08/30/2008 @ 11:58pm
that's why there is a need for "free" birth control.
abortion sure is icky.
so is war.
i think it'll be easier to solve the war thing.
one day we will be vulcans!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:29am
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:08am
happy's my friend.
it pains me to see such foul things arise from his fingers.
my son is the first human in my close family to have brown eyes.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:34am
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:34am
Same here.
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:37am
one day we will be vulcans!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:29am
We cannot find our Surak fast enough....
Posted by yutsano at 08/31/2008 @ 01:37am
brunowe- I have certainly not missed the point. McCain's selection does not change the fact that he has a wealth of experience, and Obama has little or none. The selection of Biden did not change the level of Obama's experience, and the selection of Palin does not diminish McCain's experience.
BTW, Wallace was Commerce Sec AFTER he was VP.
Posted by twillie at 08/31/2008 @ 01:43am
Frosty, was it you who referred me to bbadgerbadgerbadger.com?
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:43am
"I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us."
- "Surak"
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:49am
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:43am |because before I sign off I have to tell you there are at least a dozen people with it stuck in their head who are sure it's part of some sort of mind control device since they can't get it out :)
Choice!
Posted by Pogge at 08/31/2008 @ 01:50am
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/footy.html
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:51am
BRING IT ON, SENATOR
Did I hear her right. Did Miss Sarah (the underside of the GI Joe/Barbie Doll ticket) actually say "Bring it On" during her acceptance speech. Lets puts aside the fact that Georgie later repudiated that infamous, post 9/11 comment as being too inflammatory. Instead, lets ask this question, "Senator Obama, did you hear that. Did you hear that. Did she really say, "Bring it On ...... or was it "Bring HER On?
As much as I despise Hillary, as much as I wish she would go away for good, this election is too important to cater to my individual pet peeves.
In a way, politics is sometimes like the game of poker. The best bullshitter usually wins. Are you listening Barack. In choosing his running mate, John McCain essentially said, "I"ll see your black guy, and I raise you a chick."
Whatca gonna do Barack.
I know what you're thinking. And you're absolutely right, Senator. According to Hoyle, its time to bring her on. Her of course, meaning Hillary.
Its time to announce some pre-election cabinet picks, including, Hillary (God, I sometimes hate myself) as Secretary of State.
Your response, in poker parlance.
"I'm throwing in the bitch. I'm all in."
Posted by bobforer at 08/31/2008 @ 02:26am
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 7:37pm
I noticed FrGr didn't deny that he probably went down on guys for money in his younger days...
Just goes to show that anything 'probably' happened.
Who knew!
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/31/2008 @ 03:54am
Actually what's going to happen is the counter-re-unexpected that McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS has planned all along.
It'll come out at just the right point during the new con repub dic'tator convection that Palin was using the soccer-mom/governor facade as cover as she's really a triple secret agent that's programed to never sleep and that's when she travels the world putting out one global crisis after another -- hands on. It'll be revealed that since the world is in such a mess that cHeney had to blow her cover in order for her to become the next VP. It's national security after all, big time.
And that trooper she got fired was really AQ...
Happy ending-- huh FrGr.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/31/2008 @ 04:35am
Hey, don't know if you ever saw my mentioning Amer. Int'l Group....it was $18 when I mentioned it on Tues. or Wedn., it closed yesterday at $21!! Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/30/2008 @ 4:30pm
I have nothing to say to the rest of your point because it is true strategy but I think it will backfire.
This last thing however I'm pissed I didn't invest yet. Need to set up an online account.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/31/2008 @ 05:21am
Or how about giving birth to a downs syndrome baby that most liberal women would have aborted.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/30/2008 @ 8:36pm |
There is no evidence to support this assertion; you do disservice to all women by assuming that you can look into their hearts and render such a judgment.
No one knows what goes into the decision to carry or terminate a pregnancy beyond the woman (and man) involved.
Saying stuff like that makes us guys look like paternalistic, patronizing jackasses.
Posted by skeletonman at 08/31/2008 @ 06:27am
BTW, Wallace was Commerce Sec AFTER he was VP.
Posted by twillie at 08/31/2008 @ 01:43am | ignore this person | warn this person
I stand corrected on that point.
"McCain's selection does not change the fact that he has a wealth of experience, and Obama has little or none. The selection of Biden did not change the level of Obama's experience, and the selection of Palin does not diminish McCain's experience."
Except that it shows that McCain doesn't consider that level of experience necessary for someone who needs to be able to step into the shoes of the President. It makes his use of that issue hypocritical.
Posted by brunowe at 08/31/2008 @ 06:46am
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 01:23am
I beg to differ. While we still are an unnaturally large part of the bulk ecosystem, we take it upon ourselves to use technology to bring members into the breeding population that would otherwise be "selected against."
The net affect is the opposite of eugenics (which BTW: FrankG...was NOT started by the Nazis but by Darwin's cousin, Sir Francis Galton. The Nazis just gave it a bad name.) So we piss in the gene pool and wonder why the water is funky.
In fact 'Harris polls in 1986 and 1992 recorded majority public support for limited forms of germ-line intervention, especially to prevent "children inheriting usually fatal genetic disease" ' [referenced line in the Wikipedia article on Eugenics]
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/31/2008 @ 07:14am
Unlike the neocons, I want a president that is thoughtful and reflective
Unlike the neo-cons I see the president as a figurehead and spokesperson, not a King.
Unlike the neo-cons, I want a president that speaks clearly, knows where other countries are and has real world experience, not just a Washington insider.
Posted by crabwalk at 08/31/2008 @ 09:04am
Words that will return to bite the neo-cons in the ass:
Joseph Farah, World Net Daily, "President Gigolo?": But if there is one characteristic of Kerry's life that should disqualify him absolutely as a candidate for president, it is the fact that he has sought out millionaire wives to take care of him. Not to put too fine a point on it, he's a serial gigolo.
Rush Limbaugh, throughout 2004: I mean, [Kerry]'s been there, but he's basically a skirt-chaser, folks. He's a gigolo. . . .Kerry is cheap. Most gigolos are. I mean -- I think it -- I think it goes with the, with the definition. . . .[W]hat do you consider a fair wage? John Kerry considers a fair wage a wife with 500 million. So, he had to find a company that had one. Well, there aren't too many of these companies that have little heiresses running around that are single, have 500 million that some guy can marry into
Hannity & Colmes, Jan. 24, 2004: ANN COULTER: John Kerry can't really speak to the middle class tax cuts, inasmuch as he is ... SEAN HANNITY: Yes. ANN COULTER: ... a kept man. He lives off the money made by other men and left to their daughters or wives.
Good Morning America, October 5, 2004: CHARLES GIBSON: In going, in going through the book, John Kerry. You refer to him as a gigolo, the male Anna Nicole Smith . . . . What does that achieve, Ann? ANN COULTER: Well, okay, then I don't want to hear him talk about a middle class tax cut when he has made his living living off rich women. I mean, it is simply a fact that he has married two heiresses. His specialty in life, I mean, if he has an economic plan, I think the one I'd like to hear about is how to snooker millionairesses into marrying me and living off them. I mean, that is not an, a, a trivial point.
Posted by crabwalk at 08/31/2008 @ 09:07am
New York Times, March 14, 2004: Comedians have tried the Rich Guy persona along with a variation of the Gold Digger, which Jay Leno used in explaining how Mr. Kerry would eliminate the federal deficit: "He said all we have to do is find a really rich country like Switzerland and marry it."
Rabbi Smuley Boteach, World Net Daily, May 25, 2004: Now, having a wife who provides you with a private jet and eight multimillion-dollar vacation homes provides for a comfortable life. But is this the right preparation for becoming president? . . .
Taki Theodoracopulos, American Conservative, May 24, 2004: If John Kerry wins in November, he will be the premiere president of this great country of ours to be also a gigolo. The dictionary defines "gigolo" as a man supported by a woman in return for his sexual attentions and companionship. It might sound rough for John Kerry, but it's right to the point. Let's face it. The 44th president (maybe) is as close to a gigolo as I can think of, and I have known many.
Posted by crabwalk at 08/31/2008 @ 09:10am
You neo-cons ARE SUCH FUCKING HYPOCRITES!!
Posted by crabwalk at 08/31/2008 @ 09:12am
Go ahead neo-cons, go back into your archives, read your "leaders" comments about how a mere gigolo senator and a person with no experience are no way, no how, ready to lead this country!
My, how you have backpedalled.
sheep!
BOO!
Posted by crabwalk at 08/31/2008 @ 09:16am
BTW, the search continues...
for pics from the 1984 Miss Alaska swimsuit compeition!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/31/2008 @ 09:45am
C'mon, it's all over.
It's Obama.
Now have a last laugh at the right &just move on, hard & fast.
Focus on senate & house races, let's ensure a Dem landlside.
Forget all the nonsense.
Keep your eyes on the prize.
From now on.
Posted by sloper at 08/31/2008 @ 09:59am
WOW all the arguments the new con repub dic'tatorship followers are making about Palin's exec experience being more than Obama's on the MSM right now all apply to McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS as well!
Like when has McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS ever been an executive!
And then the new con repub dic'tatorship followers are arguing that Palin has gone after her own party to reform it and that Obama is lock step with the dems!
Like how much has McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS voted against the hsuB/cHeney admin? 5%. And in almost all of what one would think would be the deepest convictions of McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS, especially like torture - he totally agrees with the hsuB/cHeney admin to continue doing it.
So aren't the new con repub dic'tatorship followers really saying that Palin is better qualified than McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS?
YES.
Of course-- but like McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS, do they even get it?
NO.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/31/2008 @ 10:32am
Gov. Rudy 9/11 G. himself is saying that McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS, having no exec experience like Palin, is not as qualified!
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/31/2008 @ 10:45am
Are new con repub dic'tatorship followers totally insane?
Apparently yes.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/31/2008 @ 10:47am
Posted by Pogge at 08/30/2008 @ 10:20pm
Sir, you're filth, just filth. And self-deceived enough to expect serious people to believe that you'd abort defective children for their own sake, it would seem. Find a hole you'll manage to fit in and crawl into it, you nauseatingly self-centered pig.
Posted by john lowell at 08/31/2008 @ 11:15am
Posted by john lowell at 08/31/2008 @ 11:15am
Pogge is a female, lowell. So it's "MA'AM, you're filth!"
you wacko!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/31/2008 @ 12:01pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/31/2008 @ 12:01pm
Like you, any gender works with a worm, schlub.
Posted by john lowell at 08/31/2008 @ 12:22pm
Curious how we've moved on from desperately smearing Palin with whatever we found handy (and I'm still waiting for a link to back up Metteya's extensive chronicle of alleged wrongdoing by Palin.) to pure ad hominem attacks on McCain.
As for "republican dictatorship", it is clear that you wouldn't know a dictatorship if it bit you in your lily-white liberal wing-nut rump. Guess how many protests were allowed by the Chinese government through its application process during the Olympics? Guess how many protests will be allowed to take place in the Twin Cities during the GOP convention? If you guess "zero" and "countless", you display an intelligence rarely found in someone who links "Republican" and "dictatorship" in a sentence.
Posted by twillie at 08/31/2008 @ 12:46pm
Holy sh@#. A small town mayor with her finger on the nuclear button. And a right wing, born twice, fundamentalist at that. Wow what a country! If McCain's poll numbers go up I'm starting my nuclear shelter now. We have already started practicing hiding under the dining room table.
Posted by lachatte at 08/31/2008 @ 12:56pm
Posted by crabwalk at 08/31/2008 @ 09:10am
The thought of Cindy McCain with John as a gigolo makes me throw up a teeny bit. (Guess he's got a real sidewinder missile there.)
Remember "V" ... its not just for victory! http://home.avenuebroadband.com/~dvaughn58/GOP2008.html
pass it on *************************
john lowell .. go crawl back under your rock
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/31/2008 @ 1:11pm
The 'Women's Vote' is a myth!
Senator Clinton and Governor Pain are proof that women can and do diverge on important issues.
Even on the question of whether women should vote!
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Suffragettes were opposed by many women who were what was known as 'anti.'
The most influential 'anti' lived in the White House. First Lady Edith Wilson was a wealthy Washington widow who married President Wilson in 1915.
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Posted by VirginiaHarris at 08/31/2008 @ 1:44pm
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/31/2008 @ 1:11pm
Imagine yourself as actually having something to contribute, noxious slime? I wouldn't. Only bacteria you can't smell are permitted here.
Posted by john lowell at 08/31/2008 @ 1:45pm
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Posted by john lowell at 08/31/2008 @ 11:15am
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/31/2008 @ 1:47pm
"As for "republican dictatorship", it is clear that you wouldn't know a dictatorship if it bit you in your lily-white liberal wing-nut rump. Guess how many protests were allowed by the Chinese government through its application process during the Olympics? Guess how many protests will be allowed to take place in the Twin Cities during the GOP convention? If you guess "zero" and "countless", you display an intelligence rarely found in someone who links "Republican" and "dictatorship" in a sentence."
Posted by twillie at 08/31/2008 @ 12:46pm
Yea! We have "free speech zones" here in Amerika.
Sheesh!
Posted by Malcontent at 08/31/2008 @ 2:25pm
"Imagine yourself as actually having something to contribute, noxious slime? I wouldn't. Only bacteria you can't smell are permitted here."
Posted by john lowell at 08/31/2008 @ 1:45pm
Of course. Those orderless bacteria fit in nicely with the invisible man in the sky, who counsels you. And the unwritten rule that only xtian views are "moral".
While I am 100% percent for cherishing existing people for their abilities and enhancing the quality of EVERYBODYS life. I see no reason to intentionally breed for defects, because of some emotional construct of "blood" or "soul", that which you would refuse to breed in any form of animal husbandry.
There is a HUGE chasm between Eugenics and choosing to adopt, rather than create a person who's liberty and pursuit of happiness will be impeded by a foreseen genetic defect.
I also see an exponential difference in quality of life between an "unwanted" healthy baby and a "unwanted" special needs baby. Ms. Palin's child will no doubt be fine. But all those institutionalized babies, living miserable existences, didn't just magically appear there.
Abortion may be the crudest of options. But, it's not necessarily the worst.
Eric
Posted by Malcontent at 08/31/2008 @ 2:37pm
Welcome, "Pogge,"